In a recent earnings call, Mersana Therapeutics (ticker: MRSN) revealed substantial developments in their ongoing clinical trials and financial status for the third quarter of 2024. CEO Dr. Marty Huber announced promising advancements in Phase I trials for the company's antibody-drug conjugates (ADCs), XMT-1660 and XMT-2056. Financially, the company reported a significant reduction in net loss compared to the previous year and expects its current cash reserves to fund operations well into 2026.
Key Takeaways
- XMT-1660 has reached a dose escalation of 115 mg/m² in Phase I trials, targeting B7-H4 with initial data expected by end of 2024.
- XMT-2056, targeting a novel HER2 epitope, shows promising preclinical results.
- Q3 2024 net loss was $11.5 million, a considerable decrease from Q3 2023's $41.7 million.
- The company ended Q3 with $155.2 million in cash, expected to last into 2026.
- Discussions during the call included patient enrollment, resistance mechanisms to drug payloads, and the treatment landscape for breast and gynecological cancers.
Company Outlook
- Mersana Therapeutics plans to present initial clinical data for XMT-1660 by the end of 2024.
- The company is exploring dosing schedules and biomarker strategies for XMT-1660.
- Mersana is focusing on endometrial and ovarian cancers, aiming to address the significant unmet need with their novel treatments.
Bearish Highlights
- The company reported a net loss of $11.5 million for Q3, though significantly improved from the previous year.
Bullish Highlights
- Mersana's ADC candidates are showing progress in clinical trials, with XMT-1660 advancing in dose escalation.
- The company's cash reserves are robust, with enough funding to sustain operations into 2026.
- Promising safety profiles for UpRi and Dolasynthen in treating ovarian cancer have been highlighted.
Misses
- Specific guidance on Overall Response Rate (ORR) benchmarks for XMT-1660 was not provided.
Q&A Highlights
- CEO Dr. Marty Huber discussed the patient enrollment for XMT-1660, focusing on heavily pretreated patients.
- The company is benchmarking against competitors but is not providing specific ORR benchmarks at this time.
- There is an ongoing evaluation of dosing schedules, with a core regimen at 115 mg/m² every four weeks.
Mersana Therapeutics is making strides in the development of its ADCs, with XMT-1660 and XMT-2056 showing promise in clinical trials. The company's financial position appears stable, with sufficient funding to continue operations for the foreseeable future. While there are challenges in the competitive landscape and specific efficacy benchmarks have not been disclosed, the overall tone of the earnings call was optimistic, particularly regarding the safety profiles of their drug candidates and the potential to meet unmet medical needs in the treatment of breast and gynecological cancers.
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Full transcript - Mersana Therapeutics Inc (NASDAQ:MRSN) Q3 2024:
Operator: Good morning, and welcome to Mersana Therapeutics Third Quarter 2024 Conference Call. Currently all participants are in listen-only mode. There will be a question-and-answer session at the end of this call. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jason Fredette, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Please proceed.
Jason Fredette: Thank you operator, and good morning, everyone. Before we begin, please note that, this call will contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of Federal Securities Laws. These statements may include, but are not limited to, those related to our platforms, product candidates, business strategy, clinical trial execution and data, business development efforts and cash runway. Each of these forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in such statements. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on August 13, 2024, and in subsequent SEC filings. Our filings are available at sec.gov and on our website, mersana.com. Except as required by law, we assume no obligation to update forward-looking statements publicly even if new information becomes available in the future. On today's call, we have Mersana's Chief Executive Officer, Dr. Marty Huber; our Chief Development Officer, Mohan Bala; and our Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer, Brian DeSchuytner. With that, let's turn the call over to Marty to begin our discussion.
Martin Huber: Thank you, Jason, and good morning everyone. I'm pleased to report that Mersana made significant progress in the third quarter, as we continued to dose escalate in our Phase I clinical trials of both XMT-1660 and XMT-2056. We also achieved multiple milestones in our research collaborations, and we maintained the strength of our balance sheet. These accomplishments position us well, as we prepare to disclose initial XMT-1660 clinical data at a company event by the end of this year. XMT-1660 is Mersana's ADC candidate targeting B7-H4 that was developed using Dolasynthen platform with site-specific bioconjugation and a drug-to-antibody ratio of 6. We believe it has the opportunity to differentiate within the broader ADC landscape in multiple ways. The dose escalation portion of our Phase I clinical trial is ongoing and we still have not established a maximum tolerated dose. We recently escalated to 115 milligrams per meter squared or about 3.1 milligrams per kilogram every four weeks. This is up from the 80 milligrams per meter squared dose we mentioned on our last conference call, and its well-beyond the highest doses we investigated with any of our prior ADCs. We believe our ability to reach this dosing level speaks both to Dolasynthen’s differentiated tolerability profile and to the limited expression of B7-H4 in healthy tissue. In parallel with our dose escalation work, we are continuing to investigate more frequent dosing schedules for XMT-1660, and we are working to refine our biomarker strategy to prepare for expansion and later stages of development. Let me turn the call over to Mohan Bala, our Chief Development Officer to share a little more color on our enrollment in this trial and one of the indications we are focusing on.
Mohan Bala: Thanks, Marty. As a reminder, the dose escalation portion of our Phase I trial of XMT-1660 is being conducted exclusively in the US, and it is enrolling patients with the cancers that most commonly express B7-H4. These include heavily pretreated patients with recurrent, triple negative, and HR-positive breast cancers, endometrial cancer, and ovarian cancer. We believe XMT-1660 has the potential to address important unmet needs for patients with each of these tumor types. That said, about three quarters of our enrolled patients have breast cancer. Today in the US, topoisomerase-1 ADCs are being used very frequently in breast cancer. In fact, approximately 90% of our enrolled patients with triple negative breast cancer and about half of our HR-positive patients have been treated with at least one prior TOPO1 ADC, whether it be Trodelvy or Enhertu. We have discussed previously the growing body of retrospective data demonstrating that patients develop resistance to TOPO1 payloads. This has become a significant concern for physicians. At ESMO in September, the first prospective data exhibiting the same phenomenon were presented by a competitor that's developing a TOPO1 B7-H4 ADC. The Phase I data set included eight patients who had previously been treated with a TOPO1 inhibitor. And notably, none achieved an objective response to the competitor's ADC. These presentations helped to reinforce the urgent need for ADCs with non-TOPO payloads in breast cancer and XMT-1660 fits this profile. In fact, just last week, at the 15th Annual World ADC in San Diego, we presented new preclinical data, demonstrating XMT-1660's antitumor activity following TOPO1 treatment. So what is the standard-of-care today for patients with late-stage breast cancer who already have received a TOPO1 ADC? Well, it's generally single-agent chemotherapy. And the prognosis for these patients is exceedingly poor as evidenced by data for the control arm in the ASCENT trial for Trodelvy in TNBC. Importantly, ASCENT may be a potential best case, as this trial enrolled patients who were naive to the treatment with TOPO1 ADCs. Now, back to Marty.
Martin Huber: Thanks, Mohan. In multiple presentations over the course of the past year, we have shared data demonstrating the potential for Dolasynthen ADCs to generate antitumor activity and avoid many of the toxicities that have limited other ADC platforms. We believe our initial XMT-1660 data will shed-light on its clinical potential across tumor types, including in patients who have previously received TOPO1 ADCs. We expect to present our initial clinical safety, tolerability, efficacy, and biomarker data from dose escalation and backfill cohorts, at a company event by the end of this year. On the safety side, we would hope to show a profile that is differentiated from other ADCs. And on the efficacy side, we expect to characterize the relationships between antitumor activity and dose as well as antitumor activity and B7-H4 expression. In addition to our expected data disclosure we also remain on track to initiate the expansion portion of our Phase I clinical trial of XMT-1660 by the end of this year. In fact, we have already determined that our first area of focus for expansion will be patients with triple-negative breast cancer who have previously received at least one TOPO1 ADC. Beyond XMT-1660's potential as a monotherapy, we would hope to demonstrate a profile that may be amenable for use in combination with other agents, including combinations that we believe our competitors would not be able to pursue. As a reminder, Dolasynthen ADCs are equipped with a proprietary auristatin payload that has been shown clinically to avoid dose-limiting severe neutropenia, peripheral neuropathy and ocular toxicity. These types of adverse events are preventing many of today's ADCs from combining with certain standards-of-care, due to the risk of overlapping toxicities. Now, let's turn to XMT-2056. This is our lead candidate that was developed utilizing Immunosynthen, our innate immune stimulating ADC platform that leverages our novel and proprietary STING agonist payload. XMT-2056 targets a novel HER2 epitope, which we believe offer opportunity for development both, as a monotherapy and in combination with other therapies, including those that target HER2. At SITC 2024, which took place last week, we presented new preclinical data demonstrating XMT-2056's ability to activate STING signaling and inhibit tumor growth at very low doses. We continue to advance the dose escalation portion of our Phase I trial of this candidate. Eligible patients include dose with a range of HER2-positive tumors, including breast, gastric, colorectal and non-small cell lung cancer. And finally, business development remains a core strategic focus for Mersana, and we're making further progress in our collaborations with both Johnson & Johnson and Merck (NS:PROR) KGaA. Our efforts in this area were most recently exemplified by the milestones we achieved under these collaborations in the third quarter. For a little more color on our financials, let's turn things over to Brian.
Brian DeSchuytner: Thank you, Marty. Let's begin with our balance sheet. We ended the third quarter with $155.2 million in cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities. We continue to expect our capital resources will support our current operating plan commitments into 2026. Please note that, our cash runway guidance does not assume any future milestone payments that we may earn from our current collaborations or proceeds that we may realize from future collaborations. Net cash used in operating activities for the third quarter of 2024 was $8.6 million, which included the benefit of an $8 million milestone payment and a $3.5 million payment for manufacturing activities from J&J. Net cash used in Q3 was significantly lower than the $46.1 million net cash used in operating activities during the year ago quarter. The decrease primarily reflects our portfolio reprioritization efforts, including the OpEx reductions we implemented in the second half of 2023, as part of our restructuring, as well as the payments from J&J. Turning to our income statement. Collaboration revenue for the third quarter of 2024 was $12.6 million, compared to $7.7 million for the same period in 2023. The year-over-year change was primarily related to the increases in revenue recognized under our J&J and Merck KGaA collaboration agreements. Research and development expenses for the third quarter of 2024 declined significantly to $14.8 million compared to $30.5 million for the same period in 2023. For the most recent quarter, approximately $2.3 million of this spending was related to non-cash stock-based compensation. The year-over-year decline in R&D expenses was primarily related to reduced costs associated with manufacturing and clinical development activities for our discontinued ADC UpRi and reduced employee compensation expense following the restructuring we substantially completed in 2023. General and administrative expenses for the third quarter of 2024 declined to $9.9 million compared to $12.9 million during the same period in 2023. Approximately $1.7 million in non-cash stock-based compensation expenses were included in G&A for the most recent quarter. The year-over-year decline in G&A was primarily related to reduced consulting and professional services fees and reduced employee compensation expenses following our restructuring. And finally, Mersana's net loss for the third quarter of 2024 was $11.5 million compared to a net loss of $41.7 million for the same period in 2023. That concludes our business update. Operator, would you please open the call to questions from the audience?
Operator: We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Tara Bancroft with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Tara Bancroft: Hi, good morning. So, thanks for disclosing the nature of the patients a little bit more. It is really helpful to see. So I guess what I'm curious about is since most patients are post-TOPO here that you've enrolled, how -- do you have any updated thoughts on how we should benchmark this versus what we've seen from other B7-H4 ADCs, which are not I mean, besides Astra which, of course, was not effective there? Thanks so much.
Martin Huber: Good morning Tara. We're not providing any specific guidance on ORR. We do recognize that, there are other benchmarks out there. I mean, Pfizer (NYSE:PFE) has shared their data with a 20% response rate at their doses, which we are still trying to understand exactly which doses of those patients are the doses they'll take forward. We've seen the HNO data which, as you recall, was the China data. So we doubt there was a heavily pre-TOPO treatment in those patients. And in the most recent AZ data, they actually -- while they did show three out of 12 patients in breast cancer, none of those patients had seen a prior TOPO. So I think it is -- those are the benchmarks that are out there, but we think there is non-trivial differences between the populations. So for us to try to get into predicting exactly which one is the right benchmark for us is a little difficult at this point in time.
Tara Bancroft: Okay, I understand. Thank so much.
Operator: The next question comes from Jonathan Chang with Leerink Partners. Please go ahead.
Yen-Der Li: Hi. This is Yen-Der Li on for Jonathan Chang. Thanks for taking my questions. So my first question on XMT-1660. So how many patients at efficacy evaluable dose are you expecting to see for the initial data update? And what is the percentage of them would you consider as biomarker positive? Thank you.
Martin Huber: Yes. Well, good questions there. But actually we just haven't provided that information to-date. That will be shared along with the data later on this year. So we gave the specifics today on the types of patients we've enrolled some prior treatment, but we haven't gotten into specifics on patient numbers or B7-H4 expression. As I think you know, we are enrolling all comers and looking at the B7-H4 data retrospectively. And we do tend to get that information in batches. So even when we share the data, there may be some patients where we don't have complete B7-H4 expression data on, but we will share what we do have.
Yen-Der Li: Got it. Thank you. And another follow-up question I have is that you've previously mentioned that, you are evaluating the dose schedule that is more frequently than every four weeks. So could you provide more insight into how the more frequent dosing cohort is performing relatively to the every four-week cohort? And are you continuing to escalating this more frequent dose as well? Thank you.
Martin Huber: Thank you, Jonathan. We're not getting into the details of the dosing schedule. What we do -- what I think we have shared is there is kind of the core schedule that we are on now of every 4 weeks. So that's the one we're up to 115 milligrams per meter squared, that we're dosing now. What we're doing on -- we're looking at more frequent doses where we split this dose at different intervals in between. We're -- today, we're not sharing any data on the relative performance of those two. We will have -- but as we noted during the script, we are going to be sharing some data on is there a dose correlation with activity, et cetera, or not but that will be part of what we describe when we share the data set.
Yen-Der Li: Understood. Thanks for taking my questions.
Operator: The next question comes from Charles Zhu with LifeSci Capital. Please go ahead.
Charles Zhu: Good morning everyone. Thanks for providing this update and congrats on the progress. My first question, looking at some of the recent Phase I clinical readouts for B7-H4 ADCs, we've seen median prior lines of therapy ranging from 3 for Pfizer up to 5 for Astra. Can you provide any additional color on what you'd expect your Phase I patients to see with respect to prior treatment history number lines beyond the TOPO ADC experience? And as a similar question as well, it looks like you also have a handful of breast cancer patients who are TOPO naive, almost like an inverse to what AstraZeneca (NASDAQ:AZN) read out at the recent ESMO 2024 conference. Can you make any high-level commentary regarding what you are seeing in between the TOPO experienced versus your naive patients? Thank you.
Martin Huber: Well, I'll start with the lines of therapy. We are not providing the detailed information. But as Mohan outlined, this is a heavily pretreated population, and we will describe that. I think one of the things that will be important, and we'll give some kudos to AZ, they actually did call out specifically prior TOPO exposure in their data set. The others haven't even shown that. So I think it is not only a number of lines, it's what are those treatments that becomes very important. For example, if a patient was started out hormone receptor positive and got four lines of hormonal therapy, how relevant that is to them now that you're using a cytotoxic in a late line. So I think it is important to understand kind of the nature of the treatment as well, really specifically, have these patients seen ADCs. The second part is an interesting observation. Why aren't we seeing more TOPO naive? And I think one of the things we've heard from investigators, from KOLs and as we were wandering around the halls of ESMO say, how is it that AZ had nobody with TOPO prior TOPO in breast? And you guys seem to have a lot. And essentially what we heard is they're voting with their feet. They have -- they had already based on the retrospective and anecdotal data and their own patient experience, decided that they don't want a TOPO payload after the patient has seen a TOPO. So one of the things we hear from our investigators and others is they are continuously looking for non-TOPO payloads or novel payloads that they could try in this population. So I think it is not an accident that we are ending up with this patient population. It is the investigators telling us we need something different than a TOPO payload.
Charles Zhu: Got it. Great. And also as you continue to push the dose up to and potentially beyond 115 mg per meter squared, is there a scenario where you'd continue dose escalating even as you initiate dose expansions? And can you also talk about potential reasons why you may be able to push the dose so high, maybe specifically around things like payload retention while in circulation for free payload versus intact ADCs? Thank you.
Martin Huber: Well, I mean, I'm going to do the second one first, and I'll come back. I mean, our core hypothesis when we designed this molecule was to avoid neuropathy, avoid neutropenia, avoid ocular-tox. And as you've seen from our previous data with UpRi and 1592, we weren't limited by those toxicities. And so in some ways the reason we're able to continue to escalate is kind of validates our hypothesis and Tim our Chief Technical Officer, he was right that if you -- the molecule is designed to avoid those DLTs, then it's doing that. Now that doesn't mean there's not anything, and we -- that will be part of the nature of the data is what do we have, and we'll share that with the upcoming safety thing. With regards, could we go beyond 115, that will be driven by the data at this point in time. Does that prevent us from initiating expansion? No. We have -- the way the protocol is designed is we can take -- in fact, we're probably going to take at least two doses into expansion. That's important in the current era of Project Optimus that you kind of get substantial data. So it would be very easy for us to start with one dose and then come with a second dose later on in the same study. So the direct answer is -- if the data allows us to escalate, we would escalate, but that's a data-dependent decision. And yes, we can initiate expansion even if we do continue to escalate.
Charles Zhu: Great. Thank you for taking our questions and congrats again.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Ashiq Mubarack with Citi. Please go ahead.
Ashiq Mubarack: Hi guys. Thanks very much for taking my questions. And I appreciate all the updates here. I just wanted to ask, if you have any thoughts as to whether we should expect any differences in effect of XMT-1660 depending on which TOPO1 ADC was used in the prior-line? I know triple-negative breast is kind of a moving target in between use of Enhertu versus Trodelvy. But is it fair to assume that the majority of patients got at least Enhertu in the prior line? And then last question for me. How are you thinking about development in gynecological tumors? Is that still part of the long-term plan? Or are you the plan to leave that to competitors not focused on TOPO1 and prior lines? Thanks.
Martin Huber: I'm going to give a quick answer and then I'm going to turn it over to Mohan to talk about the different types of TOPO ADCs patients are receiving and the gynecological development. But the kind of the short answer is our hypothesis this is not an antigen difference. So Enhertu versus Trodelvy, even though they are targeting different, ultimately, they inhibit topoisomerase-1. And there are two known mechanisms, there's probably more of resistance. One of those, they switch from TOPO1 to TOPO2, but that's for both of them. So we would not imagine a difference. The other potential mechanism of resistance is Pgp pumps would basically get efflux of the payload. As a reminder, our payload is not a substrate for Pgp. So no matter which of the mechanisms of resistance, which both those molecules are kind of most commonly expected to occur, we should be able to overcome both of those. And I'm going to turn it over to Mohan to address the rest of your question on the population and the gynae development.
Mohan Bala: Yes. So, I maybe kind of start with not talking specifically about our trial, but what's happening in the breast cancer kind of treatment landscape. right? So I think you can see this from the Gilead (NASDAQ:GILD) kind of earnings call as well. Trodelvy is probably the standard-of-care in chemo pretreated patients in triple negative. They have the bigger market share. And some of those patients are also then subsequently treated with Enhertu, right? But as Marty said, the increasing preference is for physicians to seek alternate payloads and alternate targets. In hormone positive, it is a little bit more kind of split between -- and I'm talking about what the general kind of treatment pattern is. And sorry, kind of what was the --.
Martin Huber: Opportunity (SO:FTCE11B) in gynae cancer.
Mohan Bala: Yes. So clearly kind of -- I'll start with endometrial, right? The endometrial kind of second/third-line space is completely open right now because the standard-of-care is shifting to treatment with both a checkpoint inhibitor and chemotherapy in frontline. And if you don't get kind of checkpoint inhibitor frontline in, say an MSS population, they get it second-line. But I think in the future, most patients will get both in frontline. And once you get those treatments, there is really no good treatment option subsequent to that. So the opportunity in endometrial cancer is quite big. The unmet need is high, and we clearly hear this. In ovarian cancer clearly, there are a lot of treatments in development in platinum-resistant, right? But kind of where there is actually kind of an increasing unmet need is in platinum-sensitive for either therapies that can combine with platinum and then continued treatment beyond the completion of that platinum therapy, right? So even though, there is kind of a lot of treatments competing in the platinum-resistant space, there are not that many novel treatments that are being developed in the platinum-sensitive space.
Ashiq Mubarack: Great. Thank you for all the color.
Operator: The next question comes from Michael Schmidt with Guggenheim Securities. Please go ahead.
Yige Guo: Hi good morning. This is Yige on for Michael. Thanks for taking our questions and thanks for the update. Two questions from us. The first one looks like you will first focus on triple-negative in the expansion cohort relative to HR positive. Wondering, is it based on preclinical rationale such as B7-H4 expression? Or was any clinical observations also part of the consideration? And then I have a follow-up.
Martin Huber: Okay. The primary reason we are going there is to be perfectly candid, is just unmet medical need. This is where we have the most patients coming into our trial. It is an area where we believe, once again we haven't talked to the agency or anything that the regulatory hurdle will be quite low, because essentially as Mohan alluded to, once they've seen a TOPO payload ADC, there is nothing. I mean, the response rate with chemotherapy is 5%, and that's in the control arm of ASCENT, which is not post-Trodelvy, that was the same patients getting Trodelvy. If you think about post Trodelvy, it is certainly no reason to expect that response rate would be higher than 5%. So I think overall this is a place for us that we see we could go very fast. We do see hormone receptor positive, as an important population. And one thing that's kind of interesting is, if you look at the late-line hormone receptor positive breast cancer patients, especially when they get to kind of the HER2 ultra lows, they are starting to look a lot more like TNBC. They're essentially once they've seen that Enhertu, there's nothing left for them. So we think those are both opportunities, but TNBC is the cleanest, easiest, fastest.
Yige Guo: Got it. That's very helpful. And then second question, there was a poster at last year's ASCO discussing optimal sequencing of SN-38 and DXd-ADC in breast cancer patients. Just wondering, is there any preclinical rationale or even clinical observations suggesting optimal sequencing of Dolasynthen and TOPO1 ADCs?
Martin Huber: I think there is -- well, we are not really focused on the -- is there an optimal. We're kind of -- what we've been focused on is the reality of the clinical situation is we are going to be post TOPO for the initial indications. So with the focus on data we showed this year at World ADC was showing that we have meaningful activity superior to a TOPO payload in a cell -- in preclinical models that had previously been exposed to TOPO. So we're not -- I think that's an interesting long-term question, should we be in front of the TOPO. But to be perfectly frank, right now today given that the TOPOs are so well-established in the marketplace, our point of entry is going to be post TOPO, or the really cool thing we can think about is assuming we demonstrate the safety profile that we've shown to-date with the Dolasynthen, do you just go with a TOPO, and not even bother about the sequencing, do them together. Two different targets with two different payloads could be a pretty cool thing that others can't do because of either neuropathy, neutropenia, ocular tox or myelosuppression.
Yige Guo: Got it. Very helpful. Thank you.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Justin Zelin with BTIG. Please go ahead.
Justin Zelin: Thanks for taking our questions. I wanted to hear your thoughts on what a meaningful delta would be on safety events to differentiate 1660 from the class based on your mechanism of action? And how do you think the differentiated safety profile may enable potential for combination therapy in the future?
Martin Huber: I'm going to start it out, and then I'm going to let Mohan kind of talk a little bit about some of the data we've generated already in combination with carbo with our previous molecules. One of the things that was a key focus for us is, carbo has challenges for -- basically, there's myelosuppression, but more importantly when you think about ovarian cancer patients as the best example of this, they've gotten taxanes, they've gotten platinum. They all have neuropathy. And clearly, when you were trying to go into platinum-resistant ovarian cancer, if you had a drug that caused more neuropathy that was very much a limitation. If you think about the neutropenia also associated with any type of chemotherapy. So we were very focused on the neuropathy neutropenia. And we were very pleased if you look at the 600 patients with UpRi, which is the same payload, different Scaffold, Linker or with Dolasynthen, our first molecule 1592, which was NaPi2b, we really didn't see meaningful neuropathy or neutropenia. So we think the bar is you really -- based on that experience with the payload, we think those should be quite low. The other challenge that you see with the TOPO payloads is the myelosuppression and where you see just kind of pancytopenia type effects. We really -- if you go back to UpRi and Dolasynthen, that really wasn't a challenge for us with those molecules. And we think -- if you think about it, you can't be giving cytotoxic chemotherapy if your ADC is causing severe myelosuppression. People have tried to do these [ADEPT] (ph) studies where they combine them. And you end up significantly compromising the dose of both ADCs. So for us, kind of the holy grail is can you give a full dose or near full dose of the ADC in combination with either another ADC or with another cytotoxic chemotherapy. While we haven't done it with this molecule, I'm going to turn it over to Mohan to talk a little about -- we did present some data recently at IGCS, where we did combine with carbo. Mohan?
Mohan Bala: Yes. So we -- with UpRi which was our previous ADC targeting NaPi2b on the Dolaflexin platform, but using the same payload, we did a study called UPGRADE, where we combined UpRi with carboplatin for six cycles and then continued treatment with UpRi. We presented data from this study at IGCS recently. And the study really established the ability to combine an ADC with this particular payload that we are using also for 1660 with carboplatin. So we did not see any exacerbation of neutropenia or neuropathy. There was no increased alopecia, right? So generally a well-tolerated profile which was able to be dosed for that full six cycle, and then actually beyond the completion of the platinum regimen, right? In addition to kind of the safety, we also saw meaningful activity with a 70% plus response rate. So that study really we see as a proof-of-concept for the potential ability to combine ADCs on this -- with this particular payload with chemotherapy.
Justin Zelin: That make sense. Thanks for taking my question.
Operator: This concludes our question-and-answer -- this concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to CEO, Martin Huber, for any closing remarks.
Martin Huber: Thank you, operator, and thanks, everyone, for dialing in. We look forward to speaking with you by the end of the year to review our initial clinical data for XMT-1660. That concludes our call operator.
Operator: The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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