LivePerson Inc. (LPSN), a leader in conversational AI, held its First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call, outlining its transformation journey and financial performance. The company reported Q1 revenue of $85.1 million and adjusted EBITDA of $0.5 million, successfully meeting its targets while maintaining full-year guidance.
LivePerson emphasized its strategic efforts to enhance product integration and orchestration, alongside forming a critical partnership in the CCaaS sector. Despite a 21% year-over-year revenue decline, the company remains optimistic about its operational improvements and the ability to counteract customer churn.
Key Takeaways
- LivePerson reported Q1 revenue of $85.1 million and adjusted EBITDA of $0.5 million.
- The company repaid its 2024 notes and is addressing its 2026 notes.
- LivePerson is refining its pricing and packaging and forming a strategic CCaaS partnership.
- New product features and performance improvements were highlighted, including AI rewrite and social orchestration for Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN) Lex.
- The company signed 40 deals in Q1, with expectations of Q2 revenue between $76 million and $80 million.
- Full-year revenue guidance remains at $300 million to $350 million, with adjusted EBITDA between $15 million and $26 million.
- LivePerson ended Q1 with $127 million in cash and anticipates a similar year-end balance.
Company Outlook
- Positive new Annual Recurring Revenue (ARR) expected in Q4.
- B2B core recurring revenue projected to constitute approximately 92% of total annual revenue.
- B2B business forecasted to be free cash flow positive for the full year.
- Operational improvements are on track for profitable growth.
Bearish Highlights
- Revenue declined by 21% year-over-year.
- Q1 sales cycles and bookings faced disruptions due to debt discussions and go-to-market strategy changes.
- The company is working to mitigate the impact of cancellations and downsells.
Bullish Highlights
- The strategic partnership is anticipated to be a key factor in reducing customer churn.
- Restructuring and pricing changes are set to simplify deal closures and add value for customers.
- Most operational changes have been implemented and are starting to show positive outcomes.
Misses
- Despite surpassing the guidance range, Q1 revenue fell compared to the previous year.
- Q1 bookings were weaker due to sales cycle disruptions and go-to-market adjustments.
Q&A Highlights
- The company discussed customer churn reasons, such as the demand for enhanced functionality.
- LivePerson provided updates on its Wild Health venture, expecting losses to be under $10 million for the year.
- Further details on the future of Wild Health will be shared later in the month.
LivePerson's Q1 performance and strategic initiatives reflect a company in the midst of significant transformation. With a focus on product enhancement, customer experience, and operational efficiency, LivePerson aims to solidify its position in the digital customer service and conversational AI markets. The company's confidence in its guidance and the anticipated positive cash flow from its B2B segment suggest a cautious optimism for its future performance.
InvestingPro Insights
LivePerson Inc.'s (LPSN) latest earnings call presented a mixed picture, with the company navigating through a challenging period marked by a revenue decline and operational improvements. To provide a deeper understanding of the company's financial health and market position, here are some key metrics and insights from InvestingPro:
- The market capitalization of LivePerson stands at $55.27 million, reflecting the company's current valuation in the market.
- A notable Price to Earnings (P/E) ratio of -0.42 indicates that investors are currently not expecting earnings from the company in the near term, which aligns with the operational challenges highlighted in the earnings call.
- With a Price/Book ratio of 1.11 for the last twelve months as of Q4 2023, the company's stock is trading around its book value, which could suggest the market is valuing the company's assets conservatively.
In terms of InvestingPro Tips, two insights are particularly relevant to the context of the article:
1. LivePerson operates with a significant debt burden, which is consistent with the company's focus on repaying its 2024 notes and addressing its 2026 notes as mentioned in the earnings call.
2. Analysts have revised their earnings downwards for the upcoming period, with 8 analysts adjusting their expectations. This could be indicative of the challenges LivePerson faces, as discussed during the conference call, including the impact of customer churn and sales cycle disruptions.
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Full transcript - LivePerson Inc (LPSN) Q1 2024:
Operator: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to LivePerson's First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Judith van Breda, and I will be your conference operator. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the prepared remarks, the management team from LivePerson will conduct a question-and-answer session and conference participants will be given instructions at that time. To give everyone the opportunity to participate, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr. Jon Perachio, Senior Director, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Jon Perachio: Thank you, Judith. Joining me on today's call is John Sabino, CEO; and John Collins, CFO and COO. Please note that during today's call, we'll make forward-looking statements, which are predictions, projections and other statements about future results. These statements are based on our current expectations and assumptions as of today, May 8, 2024, and are subject to risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially due to various factors, including those described in today's earnings press release and in the comments made during this conference call, as well as in 10-Ks, 10-Qs and other reports we file with the SEC. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Also, during this call, we'll discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures is included in today's earnings press release. Both the press release and the supplemental slides, which include highlights for the quarter, are available on the Investor Relations section of LivePerson's website at ir.liveperson.com. With that, I will turn the call over to LivePerson's CEO, John Sabino
John Sabino: Thank you, Jon, and thank you all for joining us today. Before providing a detailed update on the business and our strategy, let me briefly preview where we are in our transformation journey and what we have delivered since the last time we spoke. One of my first priorities in coming into the company was to establish a clear and transparent plan to align our efforts in people with the key focus areas necessary to improve our business performance and deliver profitable growth. We formalized and launched this plan in February and are measuring and tracking how we are progressing with our plan across the business. Another priority was strengthening our capital structure. As we discussed during our last call, giving the market and our customer's confidence that LivePerson is a long-term partner by proactively addressing our debt profile remains a top priority for the company. In our first quarter, we repaid in full the outstanding $72.5 million principal amount of the 2024 notes. In addition, we have spent a great deal of time on the topic of the 2026 notes in recent weeks, and currently expect to have an update with respect to these efforts this month. The last priority I will briefly discuss is how we are improving our go-to-market capabilities. I've now met with well over 100 customers, having discussions consistent with what I shared with you on our last call. Customers continue to value our products and are excited to partner with us in their digital transformation. Additionally, I have learned that there are a number of customers interested in partnering with LivePerson and a bundled offering with voice. And to that end, we will soon be announcing a strategic partnership with our major global CCaaS player that I will detail later in this call. Lastly, we continue to revamp our go-to-market motions by instituting processes that provide greater visibility into our customers' health and adoption. We're rolling out new pricing and packaging and we've hired a new Chief Revenue Officer. So now that I share a quick summary of our progress since the last call. Let me update you briefly on our first quarter results. Revenue in the first quarter was $85.1 million, above the high end of our guidance range, driven by successful efforts to retain average customers during the quarter. And adjusted EBITDA was $0.5 million above the midpoint of our guidance range, as a result of the actions the company has already taken to reduce costs. John Collins will provide more detail on financial results in his section, but I wanted to briefly highlight that we achieved what we set out to do this quarter. Additionally, the cost actions taken in the first quarter allow us to maintain our full year guidance. These financial results and the maintenance of our full year guidance represent an important first step in the execution of our strategy. Now I'd like to take some time and detail the three key focus areas of our transformation strategy that are laid out in our fourth quarter call. First, let me discuss our capital structure in combination with the cost reductions made in the quarter. As discussed earlier, in the first quarter, we completed the first step in improving our capital structure by repaying the outstanding $72.5 million principal amount of the 2024 notes. Going forward, we are actively focused on addressing the 2026 notes as a pivotal part of strengthening our capital structure, and we currently expect to have an update on that front shortly. I like to be clear, that giving the market and our customers' confidence in LivePerson as a long-term partner remains a top priority to support our return to growth and delivery of shareholder value. In addition to these efforts made on our debt, an update we hope to give you soon, we have continued to lower our cost structure to further improve the financial profile of our company, driven largely by a reduction in force, over $30 million of EMEA costs were removed from the business. These sustainable cost actions still allow us to execute our strategy, continue to innovate and while improving our financials with a right-sized cost structure for our company. Second, let me update you on our go-to-market mission. On our fourth quarter call, I discussed the need to bring in new talent with experience in managing these types of turnarounds at scale and the appointment of a new Chief Customer Officer and a VP of Sales Operations. Today, I'm excited to communicate that we have hired a new Chief Revenue Officer, experienced in scaling commercial capabilities and engaging with large size, partners and hyperscalers. We formally announced -- we will formally announce this person later in the month. With our new Chief Revenue Officer on board, we will have a streamlined go-to-market team that puts our commercial organization in a position to execute both on expansion and retention, but also focusing on generating new business. Now for a quick update on the news. I want to reiterate that it will take time to see improvement in results, but I want to be clear that operational improvements have already been made. We now evaluate our customer health and a more specific and tactical level than we have in the past, allowing us to better serve our customers and retain them. In addition, we have implemented rigorous structure and forecasting into our customer success organization, refocused resources on to our most impactful accounts and launch success planning to create more value and better outcomes for customers. We are already seeing the improvements in retention and expect them to improve in subsequent quarters. John Collins will provide more detail on this later in the call. Next, I would like to discuss pricing and packaging. Last quarter, I shared we would be introducing new pricing and packaging strategies to make it easier for brands to purchase our products. I am happy to update that we have begun rolling out this new strategy as a pilot. With more than 30 accounts tagged to participate and active discussions already underway with several customers and prospects. LivePerson's new pricing and packaging is extremely simple and streamlined with good, better and best packages that showcase our innovation. Services will be bundled into the price along with key features, analytics and integration. Unlike most other vendors, LivePerson only had two pricing meters with almost no add-on cost that contracts will be easy to scope with no surprises. LivePerson also orchestrates other conversational technologies and allows brands to bring their own LLMs and third-party AI without occurring additional costs. I am very excited about this strategy and have confidence that it will drive velocity into our sales cycles and increase win rates and also improve retention. We plan to make this pricing and packaging generally available to the market in the back half of Q3. Lastly, in go-to-market, we shared our strategy was to drive partnerships at greater velocity specifically with the desire to integrate with voice providers to give our customers a 360 view of conversational data. I am proud to say that very soon, we plan to announce a strategic partnership with a major global CCaaS player to power a unified best-of-breed omnichannel suite like nothing else in the market today. Unlike surface-level partnerships common in our space, the intent of this partnership is to include deep integration of the products at all levels, true alignment of our field and customer success teams and activation of our joint partner networks to maximize reach and client value realization on a global scale. We believe our joint partner offering will leapfrog the competition in terms of innovation by enhancing the entire product suite with marketing-leading digital, AI and conversational intelligence capabilities. LivePerson will gain an integrated enterprise-ready voice channel to enable a complete omnichannel experience for our clients as well as access to an installed base of contact center agents, nearly 20 times the size of our current footprint and a network of more than 5,000 channel partners in a scaled GTM operations in several key regions around the world that are untapped today by our existing geographic footprint. We are very excited about this opportunity of this partnership, and we'll be able to discuss more about it in the near future. This brings me to our third area of focus that I discussed as part of our transformation strategy, extending our advantages and product integration and orchestration. On the last call, we discussed four product initiatives voice integration, extracting value with technology that customers already have, the ability to orchestrate all bots on the platform and improving the messaging experience in our top channels. First, in addition to the CCaaS partnership, which we will announce very soon, we are continuing to provide AI and automation through the voice channel. In Q1, we went live with voice AI for a leading airline and a leading provider of solar power. We also released our voice capture capability, which allows customers to easily ingest voice calls into our conversational intelligence platform and suggest areas for efficiency and improvement with voice AI. Second, on extracting value with the technology customers have today. LivePerson continues to be one of the few companies deploying generative AI at enterprise scale, and we are seeing strong progress in both new logos and renewal deals. We were one of the first companies in our space to market with generative AI in May of 2023. And since that launch, nearly half of both renewals and new logo volumes have included our generative AI product. We have nearly 60 customers using generative AI today at scale with nearly one-third powering 50% or more of their conversation law. We only expect these numbers to accelerate as enterprises become more comfortable with the technology. We also believe that our pricing and packaging strategy will further accelerate this and allow more of our customers to experience the benefits of the technology. Now, I'd like to turn my attention to our efforts regarding orchestration. We understand that most enterprise brands are already using several LOMs and increasingly, the challenge is how to integrate orchestrate and optimize those models across the business with consistency. So, we had introduced new functionality to our Bring Your Own LLM capability. Brands are already able to integrate third-party chatbots with LivePerson, but this release allows them to integrate their preferred LLM providers from OpenAI, meter, Cohere and Google (NASDAQ:GOOGL) into their live person box. This mitigates the risk of AI vendor locking. And by consolidating with the LivePerson platform, it ensures greater control over the customer experience. Our new pricing strategy will also make it more affordable for brands to use their chosen LLM providers with LivePerson and grow the return on their AI investment across the board. And while we continue to make investments in generative AI and train our own models against customized use cases to address specific customer needs, we believe the bigger opportunity for LivePerson in AI is managing, optimizing and orchestrating all LOMs, no matter the vendor within our product and alongside our generative AI capabilities that we provide today. In addition to bring your own LLM capability, we have launched AI rewrite which allows agents to generate improved responses with a single click. Customers using this feature have seen 10 point improvement in NPS with over 95% of messages sent having better outcomes with this capability. And lastly, we launched social orchestration for Amazon Lex, continuing our goal to allow seamless handoffs across any channel and any bot platform. We are confident that these capabilities will ensure that LivePerson remains a market leader in the next generation of AI capabilities for its customers. The final initiative in this focus area was to improve our messaging experience within our top channel. And in Q1, we made fundamental architectural improvements to our web channel that resulted in customers seeing up to 50% performance improvement. This has created a strong foundation for future innovation and improvements in this channel, and it paves the way for key renewals with some of our largest enterprise customers. So, to summarize, we are extending our advantages in all areas of product orchestration and integration capabilities. We're improving our voice integration, increasing functionality to bring your own LLM and improving messaging performance. And this is just to highlight a few. In addition to all the announcements I just mentioned, I welcome you to join us virtually on May 23rd for our Spark Product launch event, where we will unveil even more functionality we are bringing to our products. Finally, I wanted to share that in spite of the headwinds and challenges we have faced LivePerson continues to be recognized by analysts and the media as a relevant player in digital customer service and conversational layout. We were named a Strong Performer in the Forrester Wave Conversation Automation Solutions for B2B in Q1 of 2024, which marks the eighth time that LivePerson has been recognized in Forest research over the last 12 months. LivePerson was named the Fast Company's procedures list of the World's Most Innovative Companies for a third time. We were recognized as we in the applied AI category, which honors companies embracing AI to reinvent how business is done. So, I want to extend congratulations to everybody on the LivePerson team, and I want to thank all of you for your commitment and dedication to our customers and company. So in summary, as I sit here today, approximately four months from the day I joined, I've only gained confidence since the last time we spoke that the transformation strategy we are executing on today will lead to a future of profitable growth for LivePerson. In the first quarter of our new strategy, we delivered on the guidance we provided and right-sized our cost structure. We progressed on our efforts towards improving our capital structure, and currently expect to have an update on that later this month. In go-to-market, we've made substantial operational changes by bringing in new leadership, simplifying pricing and packaging, and we plan to imminently announce a strategic partnership with a major global CCaaS company. In addition to increasing our strengths with product orchestration and integration. As we have outlined, we are rapidly executing in each area of that strategy, and I look forward to updating this audience on our execution and positive trajectory in future earnings calls. Now let me pass the call to our CFO and COO, John Collins. John, over to you.
John Collins: Thanks, John. I'll begin with a brief operational update, followed by a discussion of our financial performance and guidance. First, I would like to emphasize John's remarks on our capital structure. Deleveraging remains a strategic imperative for the company. As planned, we fully repaid the 72.5 million remaining balance of the 2024 notes that matured in March. We have also spent a considerable amount of time and effort on addressing the 2026 notes, and we currently expect to provide an update on these efforts later this month. In terms of deals and customer wins, we signed a total of 40 deals in the first quarter, including 12 new logos and 28 expansions and renewals. First quarter deals included upsells with a large Australia-based bank and a fast casual restaurant chain. New logo wins included a global digital entertainment company and a global distributor of electrical products and services. Consisting with the plans we shared last quarter, we embarked on a significant rebuild of our go-to-market operations in the first quarter. Hiring new leadership, restructuring teams, and improving processes has a short-term cost. While we mitigated some expected customer churn in the first quarter, midstream changes to our go-to-market operations translated to below-average deal counts and values in the first quarter. In total, deals were down 43% year-over-year and 35% sequentially. To reiterate some of the critical changes, we installed new leadership, including a new Chief Customer Officer and a VP of Sales Operations, and we have hired a new Chief Revenue Officer. Collectively, these new leaders, coupled with industry standard processes and greater clarity in roles and responsibilities, establishes a solid foundation for our return to profitable growth. For example, we can now evaluate customer health across technical and strategic dimensions five quarters into the future, giving us greater specificity on potential frictions and the lead time to address them. Similarly, we have strengthened the rigor and repeatability of our sales operations for each stage of the sales cycle. In parallel, as John described, we also initiated the rollout of a radically simplified pricing and packaging strategy that we expect to increase deal velocity and wins. So in a very real sense, we needed to slow down before we could go faster, and I'm excited to report that we are already seeing significant improvement in pipeline generation and deals in the second quarter. Finally, before I move on to our financial results, I want to emphasize the significance of the partnerships that John alluded to. Consistent with our prior commentary, this strategic partnership is founded on meaningful shared economics and robust technology integrations. By partnering with a major global enterprise CCaaS provider, we have repositioned to meet the number one demand of our customers, an AI powered single pane of glass for customer service and support across voice and digital channels. We look forward to sharing additional details at our Spark event in two weeks, and we encourage everyone to tune in virtually. As for our first quarter financial results, total revenue was $85.1 million, above the high end of our guidance range but down 21% year-over-year or 15% excluding the contributions from the consumer business. The year-over-year decline was driven by customer churn in the first quarter and the exit of non-core business lines a year ago. Note that in the first quarter, while health contributed $1.5 million to total revenue. Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter was $0.5 million, which was above the midpoint of our guidance range. Despite having a significantly lower revenue base, adjusted EBITDA was better than the $1.3 million loss in the first quarter a year ago, driven by rigorous rightsizing of our cost structure. Revenue from B2B hosted services was $71.5 million, down 11% year-over-year. B2B core recurring revenue was $77.6 million, down 6% year-over-year, driven by the expected customer cancellations and down-sells we discussed last quarter. Professional services revenue was $13.7 million, down 33% year-over-year, driven largely by the completion of the engagement with Declare JV in the first quarter of 2023. Excluding revenue from the JV, professional services declined 17% year-over-year. From a geographic perspective, US revenue was $60.5 million, and international revenue was $24.6 million or 71% and 29% of total revenue, respectively. For the first quarter, average revenue per customer was $625,000, up 12%, driven in part by expansions with our largest customers. Consistent with my earlier update on first quarter deals, declined 7% sequentially to $297 million in the first quarter. Net revenue retention was 89% in the first quarter compared to 95% in the fourth quarter. Considering NRR as a function of in-period revenue it is a lagging indicator of progress against our strategy. As discussed last quarter, given the size and timing of cancellations in the first quarter, which have a full year revenue impact, we expect revenue to decline sequentially throughout the year to the fourth quarter, though the rate of decline will lessen as we progress towards the fourth quarter. However, we also expect new ARR that is the net of annualized bookings and annualized churn to improve throughout the year and turn positive beginning in the fourth quarter. Finally, in terms of cash, we ended the first quarter with $127 million of cash on the balance sheet following the full settlement of the 2024 notes I mentioned earlier. After further reducing our cost structure through actions taken in the first quarter and current quarter which will yield over $30 million of in-year savings. We expect our cash balance to be near the current balance by year-end. In terms of guidance for the second quarter, we expect revenue to be in the range of $76 million to $80 million. This is a sequential decline of approximately $7 million at the midpoint, which, as discussed, is primarily driven by the full effect of customer cancellations in the first quarter, along with below average heel counts that we expect to improve in the second quarter. B2B core recurring revenue is expected to be approximately 92% of total revenue in the second quarter. As for adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter, we expect a range of $0 million to $5 million. For the full year, we are maintaining our revenue guidance range of $300 million to $350 million. Again, this range is heavily influenced by the concentration of cancellations in the first quarter, which have full year revenue impact. Considering the progress we've already made in rebuilding our go-to-market operations, we expect to improve deal velocity and wins and materially reduce the impact of cancellations and downsells in subsequent quarters, enabling us to generate positive new ARR in the fourth quarter. As for B2B core recurring revenue, again, we expect it to be approximately 92% of total revenue for the full year. Finally, we are also maintaining our adjusted EBITDA guidance range of $15 million to $26 million. And we continue to expect the B2B business to be free cash flow positive for the full year. Now, I'll turn the call back to John for his final comments before we proceed to Q&A. John?
John Sabino: Thanks so much, John. Before turning the call over to Q&A, I want to emphasize to this audience that everything we told you we were going to execute during our last call, we have done or we're executing imminently. As I've said before, we'll take time to see the results of these operational improvements. But the changes that drive the results we seek are happening today and will continue to happen as we transform this company and progress on our journey to profitable growth. At this point, I'd like to hand the call over to the operator for Q&A. Thank you so much.
Operator: Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now be conducting the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Jeff Van Rhee from Craig-Hallum Capital Group. Please go ahead.
Jeff Van Rhee: Great. Thanks for taking my questions guys. Maybe the first one for John, John, in terms of the -- you've been out talking to a lot of the customer base, just take a minute and expand on what you've learned in terms of the common traits of those that churned off the platform? I know you had some suspicion last time we spoke, but I imagine you know a lot more now.
John Sabino: Yeah. So, some of the customers that have churned were looking for enhanced functionality that we did not plan to provide on our roadmap, specifically the ability to completely customize or build custom interfaces on our agent workspace. So there are some that fall into that category where they are looking for enhancements that we are not willing to bring at this point in time. That's definitely one category of customer. The other nodes are very similar to what we spoke about before, which is we're seeing the consolidation around CCaaS and Digital. And this is where this partnership that we're referencing. I think, will be a very, very important way of going to market in the future to counteract that churn. So it falls in the two central categories, one being feature and functionality that a specific customer might want and need for their business. That's not really on a roadmap at this point and the other is platform consolidation, which we've discussed in the past, and we feel that this partnership that we'll be announcing very shortly will definitely assist us in counteracting.
Jeff Van Rhee: In the quarter, I think you commented on the -- obviously, it's in the deal counts. You said your bookings value also missed expectations. Just talk about the disruption to Q1 sales cycles and bookings. And maybe with a lens of losses, your win rates maybe declining versus maybe changes you made that disrupted cycles, possibly by a reluctance due to balance sheet. What you saw? Because obviously, I'm sure you'd want to leave deals in flight, not disrupt those deals, if you could help it. So just talk through what led to the weaker bookings in the quarter.
John Sabino: Yes. Correct. We -- so the commercial headwind wins around the debt, of course, played a role customers are waiting to hear back from us on how we're progressing on that debt discussion. So some of the bookings opportunities push. And then we -- as I discussed before, we've retooled the front end of our go-to-market, everything from restructuring to the team, bringing in new leadership, establishing new processes. And this has a disruptive effect. And as John Collins stated, it really was essential to slow down, put these changes in place, and we're starting to see those green shoots bear fruit in this coming quarter. Additionally, I've said in the past, the customers have felt at times it's difficult to do business with us. We definitely have turned the corner, I think, in our pricing and packaging in a way that will allow us now to start experimenting with what I spoke about in my prepared remarks. To simplify the actual process of closing deals with our customers, give them more economic value and have a competitive price in the marketplace. So these pieces of also were not in place in Q1. We had a lot of work to do. We worked very rapidly on it. And now we have most of them in place and we're doing well on the pilot side of it as well with the new pricing and packaging. And again, we're starting to see some positive results here.
Jeff Van Rhee: Okay. I guess, last for me then. You gave the revenue number for Wild Health. Can you give a sense of where it was for the quarter, loss-wise annualized expected loss? Just wondering how that's impacting the bottom line?
John Sabino: Hey, Jeff. Yes. So in terms of losses from Wild health, in general, for the full year, as we discussed last quarter, we're expecting well under -- well under $10 million for the year, and we further reduced that through the actions we're taking right now with respect to the decision to sell or wind down the business, and I expect to have more of an update on that topic later this month.
Jeff Van Rhee: Okay. Got it. I’ll leave you there. Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the call. Thank you for joining us and you may now disconnect your lines.
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