Dycom Industries (DY), a leading provider of specialty contracting services, has reported a strong third quarter in fiscal 2025, with revenues climbing to $1.272 billion, marking a 12% increase. The company's organic revenue growth stood at 7.6%, and adjusted earnings per share reached $2.68.
Dycom's adjusted EBITDA was reported at $170.7 million, which is 13.4% of revenue. The company's backlog is robust at $7.85 billion, with $4.467 billion expected to be completed within the next year.
Key Takeaways
- Dycom's revenue increased by 12% to $1.272 billion, with organic growth of 7.6%.
- Adjusted EBITDA reached $170.7 million, representing 13.4% of total revenue.
- The company's backlog stands at $7.85 billion, with $4.467 billion expected to be completed in the next 12 months.
- Top 5 customers account for 55.7% of revenue, with AT&T (NYSE:T) being the largest at 20.9%.
- Strategic growth opportunities identified in AI and Data Center Infrastructure, Broadband Expansion, and Rural Broadband.
- Acquisition of Black and Veatch's wireless telecommunications infrastructure business shows promising initial results.
Company Outlook
- Q4 total contract revenues expected to increase mid to high single digits.
- Organic revenue growth projected at low to mid-single digits.
- Optimism for future growth opportunities across various market segments.
Bearish Highlights
- No specific bearish highlights are mentioned in the summary provided.
Bullish Highlights
- Strong revenue and EBITDA performance, along with a substantial backlog, indicate potential for continued growth.
- The acquisition of Black and Veatch's business is integrating well, suggesting future positive outcomes.
- The company is well-positioned to benefit from strategic opportunities in AI and Data Center Infrastructure, Broadband Expansion, and Rural Broadband.
Misses
- The summary does not provide information on any specific misses or shortfalls in the quarter.
Q&A Highlights
- President and Incoming CEO Dan Paavich expressed confidence in building momentum and pursuing the vision to connect America.
- Paavich also emphasized the increasing value of the maintenance and operations business relative to the deployment of wireline and converged networks.
- Outgoing CEO Stephen Nielsen quoted an ancient Chinese proverb, reflecting on leadership and teamwork.
In their earnings call, Dycom Industries showcased a strong fiscal quarter with significant achievements and a positive outlook for the future. The company's focus on expanding its services and leveraging strategic opportunities in AI, broadband, and rural infrastructure positions it well for ongoing success. With a solid backlog and promising acquisitions, Dycom remains optimistic about its growth trajectory in the coming periods.
Full transcript - Dycom Industries Inc (NYSE:DY) Q3 2025:
Conference Operator: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Dycom Industries Inc. 3rd Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question and answer session.
Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for attending this conference call to review our Q3 fiscal 2025 results. Going to Slide 2. During this call, we will be referring to a slide presentation, which can be found on our website's Investor Center main page.
Relevant slides will be identified by number throughout our presentation. Today, we have on the call Dan Paavich, our President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer Drew DeFerrari, our Chief Financial Officer and Ryan Earnest, our General Counsel. Now I will turn the call over to Ryan Earnest. Thank you, Steve. All forward looking statements made during this conference call are provided pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
Forward looking statements include all comments reflecting our expectations, assumptions or beliefs about future events. These forward looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, which may cause actual results to differ materially from current projections, including those risks discussed in the company's filings with the U. S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Forward looking statements are made solely as of the original broadcast date of this conference call, and we assume no obligation to update any forward looking statements.
Steve? Thanks, Ryan. As announced last June, I am retiring at the end of this month from Dycom after over 30 years of service, 25 as CEO. This earnings call is my last. Accordingly, I will review this past quarter, Dan will review industry opportunities and operational highlights, while Drew will cover our financial performance and outlook.
Dan and Drew will handle Q and A. After the Q and A, I will have a few final remarks. Before I review our Q3 results, I would like to thank my fellow employees for their hard work and dedication. Your efforts make Dycom the special place it is, and I am so proud of what we have built together. To our directors, thanks for your wisdom, guidance and oversight over these last 25 years.
I leave DICOM a much better leader because of you. To my fellow shareholders, your support as I have led our company has been invaluable. Thanks for the opportunity to benefit from your counsel and the market's discipline. And finally, Diane, I'm so excited for you and DICOM as you and your strong team lead our company to a bright future. I firmly believe Dicom's opportunities have never been greater, and I leave Dicom well assured that you and your team will take full advantage of those opportunities the great benefit of customers, employees and shareholders.
You have my full confidence in the support of the entire company. Now moving to Slide 4 and a review of our Q3 results. As we review our results, please note that in our comments today and in the accompanying slides, we reference certain non GAAP measures. We refer you to Slides 12 through 18 for a reconciliation of these non GAAP measures to their corresponding GAAP measures. Turning to the quarter.
Revenue increased year over year to $1,272,000,000 an increase of 12%. Organic revenue increased 7.6% as we deployed gigabit wireline networks, wirelesswireline converged networks and wireless networks. This quarter reflected an increase in demand from 3 of our top 5 customers. Non GAAP gross margin was 20.8 percent of revenue and increased 45 basis points compared to Q3 of fiscal 'twenty four. Non GAAP general and administrative expenses were 7.8 percent of revenue, And all of these factors generated adjusted EBITDA of $170,700,000 or 13.4 percent of revenue and adjusted earnings per share of $2.68 Liquidity was strong at $462,800,000 And during the quarter, we completed the acquisition of Black and Veatch's public carrier wireless telecommunications infrastructure business.
Now I will turn the call over to Dan for a business update.
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Thank you, Steve, and good morning, everyone. I'd like to start by expressing my gratitude for the support and partnership Steve has provided throughout this transition. His guidance has firmly established our company as an industry leader. On behalf of the Board of Directors and all our employees across the country, I want to extend our deepest thanks to Steve for his dedication over the past 25 years. I'd like to welcome Kevin Wetherington, who joined as our new Chief Operating Officer in October.
Kevin brings over 25 years of experience in leading national operations with large distributed workforces across the country. Kevin has already been out in the field with a number of our subsidiaries and met with customers as he steps into lead operations across DICOM. We're delighted to have him join our executive team. Moving to our results. We delivered another strong quarter with year over year growth in both revenue and EBITDA.
We're encouraged to see continued and additional strategic transactions, including refinancings and commitments to increase capital expenditures by many of our customers with some customers also increasing homes past expectations. We work hard to deliver quality every day and we believe we are well positioned to capitalize on these opportunities. Private to the home work and our maintenance and operation services are a core part of our business and we secured both extensions and new awards in a number of markets for these services from AT and T during the quarter. We're excited about the increasing opportunities we see related to AI, including expansive new national deployments of high capacity, low latency inter and intercity networks. We believe we are in the early stages of a broad set of significant opportunities with a number of customers as hyperscalers look to connect their data centers with long haul, private redundant fiber networks.
During the quarter, we received an award from Lumen for the expansion of their inter and intra city fiber network to provide additional capacity for hyperscalers. The integration of our recent wireless acquisition is going well and we are seeing an anticipated ramp in wireless network modernization and deployment services. We remain comfortable with our initial revenue expectations for this acquisition and we continue to integrate and execute on anticipated synergies. Lastly, we continue to see unprecedented levels of federal and state support for rural broadband deployment programs. We believe the magnitude and importance of these programs should not be underappreciated as they address some of the more difficult locations to deploy in America and represent a generational deployment opportunity.
We continue to believe that we will see revenue opportunities from BEAT in the second half of calendar twenty twenty five ramping into 2026. In summary, we executed well during the quarter and continue to capitalize on opportunities across our industry. We believe that the long term value of our maintenance and operations business will continue to increase relative to our deployment of wireline and converged networks, as those deployments dramatically increase the amount of outside plants that must be extended and maintained. As customer projects increase in scope and complexity, our industry focus, scale and financial strength position us well to deliver valuable services and anticipate and meet the demand for our customers. We believe that we are building momentum in the markets we serve as we pursue our vision to connect America.
I would like to acknowledge our 16,000 employees for their dedication to delivering for our customers safely every day. We've grown significantly over the past several years and have unprecedented opportunities ahead of us. Our results and continued success are because of you. Thank you. I'll pass the call to Drew for his financial review and outlook.
Drew?
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Thanks, Dan, and good morning, everyone. Going to Slide 6, contract revenues were $1,272,000,000 an increase of 12% compared to Q3 'twenty four. Organic revenue increased 7.6% after excluding revenue from acquired businesses each period, storm work for the current quarter and revenue from a change order and project closeout in the prior year quarter. A presentation of these amounts can be found in our press release and materials for today's call. Adjusted EBITDA was $170,700,000 or 13.4 percent of contract revenues, an increase of 52 basis points compared to $143,200,000 or 12.9 percent in Q3 2024.
Gross margin improved 45 basis points to 20.8 percent of revenue compared to 20.4%. For comparative purposes, the prior year adjusted EBITDA and gross margin exclude the impacts of a change order and close out of several projects reported in Q3 'twenty four. G and A this quarter included incremental stock based compensation of $7,100,000 related to the CEO transition and acquisition integration costs of $4,200,000 related to the Q3 'twenty five acquisition. Excluding these amounts, non GAAP G and A expenses were 7.8% of revenue compared to 7.7% in Q3 'twenty four. Non GAAP net income increased to $2.68 per share compared to $2.23 per share in Q3 last year after excluding $0.59 for the change order and project closeout benefit last year in Q3.
Going to Slide 7. During the quarter, our top 5 customers combined produced 55.7% of revenue and grew organically 16.7%. AT and T was our largest customer at $265,600,000 or 20.9 percent of revenue and grew organically 58.4%. Lumin was our 2nd largest customer at 146 $400,000 or 11.5 percent of revenue. Our 3rd largest customer was $104,900,000 or 8.2 percent of revenue and grew 50.2 percent organically.
Comcast (NASDAQ:CMCSA) was at $102,700,000 or 8.1 percent of revenue. And finally, Brightspeed was our 5th largest customer at $88,600,000 or 7 percent of revenue and grew 43.3 percent organically. All other customers decreased slightly on an organic basis. Going to Slide 8, backlog at the end of the 3rd quarter was $7,850,000,000 versus $6,834,000,000 at July 2024, an increase of over $1,000,000,000 Of this backlog, approximately $4,467,000,000 is expected to be completed in the next 12 months. Headcount was 15,980.
Going to Slide 9, our financial position and balance sheet remains strong. Cash and equivalents were $15,300,000 and liquidity was 462,800,000 At the end of Q3, we had $450,000,000 of term loan and $155,000,000 of drawn revolving credit facility borrowings, which was used for acquisition funding during the quarter. Additionally, we had $500,000,000 of senior notes outstanding. Our capital allocation continues to prioritize organic growth followed by M and A and opportunistic share repurchases within the context of a historical range of net leverage. Going to Slide 10, cash flows from operating activities were $65,800,000 in Q3.
The combined DSOs of accounts receivable and net contract assets were 119 days. Capital expenditures were $66,400,000 net of disposal proceeds and gross CapEx was $74,600,000 dollars During Q3, we acquired a wireless telecommunications infrastructure business for $150,000,000 in cash. Turning to Slide 11. As we look ahead to the Q4, we expect total contract revenues to increase mid to high single digit as a percentage of contract revenues compared to $952,500,000 in Q4 'twenty four. Included in the expectation for Q4 'twenty $35,000,000 of revenues from acquired businesses not owned for the entirety of both the current and prior year quarters.
For comparison purposes, there were no acquired revenues from these businesses in Q4 'twenty four. As a result, organic revenues are expected to increase low to mid single digit as a percentage of contract revenues. Our outlook for Q4 reflects normal seasonal factors such as fewer available workdays due to the holidays, reduced daylight work hours and inclement winter weather conditions. These seasonal factors as well as additional operating costs to initiate work on a number of new awards are also expected to impact earnings. For Q4 'twenty five, we expect non GAAP adjusted EBITDA percentage of contract revenues to increase approximately 25 basis points compared to 9.8% in Q4 'twenty four.
Other expectations about the Q4 outlook include $9,900,000 of amortization expense, dollars 9,300,000 of stock based compensation, which includes $2,100,000 of incremental expense related to the CEO succession transition, dollars 16,500,000 of net interest expense, a 26% non GAAP effective income tax rate and 29,500,000 diluted shares. As I wrap up, I would like to personally say thank you to Steve for your leadership and dedicated service to the company over the past 3 decades. I wish you well in your retirement. I'm excited to work alongside Dan and our dedicated team as we continue to grow the business and focus on delivering long term value for our shareholders. Operator, this concludes our prepared remarks.
You may now open the call for questions.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And our first question will come from Adam Thalhimer from Thompson Davis. Your line is open.
Adam Thalhimer, Analyst, Thompson Davis: Hey, good morning guys. Nice quarter and Steve congrats on your last conference call.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Very heartfelt Adam, I'm sure.
Adam Thalhimer, Analyst, Thompson Davis: Drew, can you actually just pick up where you left off? You talked about startup incremental costs in Q4 related to the startup of large programs. Can you just flesh that out a little bit for us?
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Yes, Adam, thanks for the question. So as
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: we've done in
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: the past, we've announced new awards. We're pleased to have a number of new awards and extensions. And as Dan called out, on the Lumin Award as well. And so we've got some costs that we've been these are a number of new areas for us. So there are some costs expected in the quarter as we ramp up in the next year.
The other thing I would add there is we continue to ramp on the recent acquisition. And so we've got a little bit of cost there as well.
Adam Thalhimer, Analyst, Thompson Davis: And then can you talk about the what you got from Lumin in the quarter versus the total Lumin or AI opportunity because the backlog went up basically by the Black and Veatch acquisition, I think.
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes. Hey, good morning, Adam. This is Dan. So, first, we're not going to size the revenue of our backlog opportunities, including the Lumin AI deal. We're very excited to continue our partnership there.
Certainly believe that we got our fair share. And really, I want to point out that we view this as kind of the start of what's to come for the data centers. As the hyperscalers look to connect and extend their data centers across the country in this new surge of long haul activity, we really see this as being a significant potential opportunity and excited to have the partnership with Lumin to get this started, but having a lot of conversations with other customers, having a lot of conversations with hyperscalers and believe this could be significant in the years to come.
Adam Thalhimer, Analyst, Thompson Davis: I'll turn it over. Thanks guys.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Alex Waters (NYSE:WAT) from BofA. Your line is open.
Alex Waters, Analyst, BofA: Hey, good morning. Thanks so much for taking my questions. Maybe just first off here, Dan, I think in your script, you noted the beat opportunity kind of 2H 20252026. It seems like it's changed a little bit from last quarter when I think it was noted 2Q. Maybe if you could just describe that a little bit more.
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes, good morning. Thanks, Alex. Last quarter, what we talked about was being in the second half, the third quarter of 2025. We still believe that we can see revenue in that timeframe. We're just talking about probably the significant ramp being in 2026.
I'm sure everybody saw Louisiana made some announcements yesterday, certainly excited to see that 95% of that ended up being fiber. We'll see how it all plays out, but certainly a good start. And collectively with the amounts that would be contributed from the sub grantees there. That's over $1,000,000,000 in fiber construction for Louisiana loans. So excited to see how it plays out and we'll see on timing, but we still believe back half of 2025 ramp in 2026.
Alex Waters, Analyst, BofA: Okay, perfect. Thanks. And then maybe just on kind of the all other customers bucket, it seems like that was down 9% year on year. Maybe just could you talk about what you're seeing from these customers and kind of what the expectations are going forward?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes. It's a good question. So the way we look at it and we understand that's how we show it on the slide there. The way we look at it, we have a lot of customers that are moving in and out of the top five. We're very pleased with the breadth of our customers and we have a number of customers now.
6, 7, and 8 are all in the $80,000,000 range. So as those folks move in and out, it does affect the overall numbers. So we really like to look at it. If you look at the top 10 customers, which represents about 75% of our revenue, they increased 17% this quarter. So we feel that's a better guide.
Alex Waters, Analyst, BofA: Perfect. Thanks so much. Steve, congratulations again.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question will come from Alex Rygiel from B. Riley Securities. Your line is open.
Minh, Analyst, B. Riley Securities: Hi there. Good morning. This is actually Minh on for Alex. Steve, first, I want to thank you for this great and long run, just wishing you the best in retirement. So my first question has to do with just in terms of the bead funding, obviously, it looks like you're not really expecting much change in terms of funding support.
But can you just provide any update on your thoughts just under this Trump administration, under a new Trump administration?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes. Good morning, Minh. The first thing I'd say is, we are seeing some things coming out. The likely stance from the new administration around net neutrality, digital discrimination, those would be good for our customers, good for our industry. On the bulk of it, of course, for all of us, still too early for us to speculate that.
We would continue to say bipartisan support when BEED was passed, The current and previous administration supported getting broadband to rural homes and we believe that will continue. There's no doubt that coming out of COVID that high speed Internet is a priority. Getting that out to rural homes in every home in America is really we look at it the same way as power was 90 years ago. So, strongly believe that that's going to happen. Some questions around timing and exactly how it's going to play out.
But again, some of these early awards, what we're seeing in Colorado and the participation there, we believe those are all good signs.
Minh, Analyst, B. Riley Securities: Excellent. Also, can you just provide any kind of detail around how the integration of Black and Veatch is going so far? And what were your wireless revenues in the quarter?
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Sure.
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: The integration is going well. The work that they're doing for the equipment replacement is ramping up a little bit quicker than we expected. So we'd like to do that. And overall, again, it's been a good acquisition for us and the team is gelling well and getting ramped up towards next year.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Yes. And Minh, this is Drew. I'll jump in here as well. So we had about $4,200,000 of integration costs in the quarter there. We expect some modest cost coming up in Q4 as well, but we're seeing a nice ramp there.
Minh, Analyst, B. Riley Securities: Okay. And what were your total wireless revenues?
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: And wireless revenues right around just over 4.5% revenue for the quarter.
Conference Operator: Great.
Sangeeta Jain, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from Frank Louthan from Raymond (NS:RYMD) James. Your line is open.
Frank Louthan, Analyst, Raymond James: Great. All right. Thank you. And Steve, congratulations on the career and finishing the last earnings call here. I appreciate all the help over the years.
So just wanted to check on as far as the guide, I assume any potential storm cleanup revenue is not in the guide, but can you give us an idea of what you think that impact will be on the Q4? Will it be more or less do you think from Q3? And any impact to the regular business from related to the storms? Thanks.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Yes. Frank, this is Drew. Thanks for the question. So certainly our first focus on the storm work is helping our customers get service restored in these areas. We had about $46,000,000 in Q3 and that number has tapered off quite a bit as we roll into Q4.
So not reflecting that, not calling out specific storm work in the guide at this point. And then as far as disruption, in Q3, I would tell you we had 4 storms affecting our areas. So there is a little bit of trade off of work there that normally the normally scheduled work that would have gotten done. But as we're moving into Q4, there's not really that displacement in the period.
Frank Louthan, Analyst, Raymond James: Okay. Thank you. And as far as some of these AI builds that you're seeing, is relative to maybe a few months ago, are you seeing these be more substantially related to larger long haul projects versus short spurs off of networks that we maybe have seen previously?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes, good morning, Frank. Quarter over quarter, we've just seen certainly more and more information, more and more of the hyperscalers talking about the need, certainly committing CapEx and future CapEx towards the endeavor. I think exactly how the shape of the curve plays out remains to be seen. But the conversations that we're having certainly have to do with long haul. They need to ultimately, they're trying to increase their capacity.
They're looking for redundancy. When we think about redundancy, if that's redundancy of routes, that could be significant from a long haul perspective. And then you have connection of the existing data centers, but as they kind of get the power side figured out and start building new data centers, we've got extensions to the new data centers as well. So all combined, we believe that not only is it going to be a significant opportunity in the shorter term, we still think that there's going to continue as they build those out that it could be there for a number of years.
Frank Louthan, Analyst, Raymond James: All right, great. Thank you very much.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Sangeeta Jain from KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Thank you so much for taking my question. So if
Sangeeta Jain, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: I can ask one on Giga Power, I think you showed up for the first time as your top 10 customers. Can you talk a little bit more about how you see that growing in the near term?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes. So we've been working with GigaPower for a couple of years now. Very much enjoy our relationship there. The project is going well. As I mentioned before, some of these customers move in and out with the breadth of our business now.
It just so happened that this quarter they moved into the top 10. So pleased with that and we'll continue with those builds.
Sangeeta Jain, Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets: Great. And on your Lumin work and any other data center type work that you're looking at, is there a difference in how you price them or a margin profile for those versus your standard fiber to the home type work?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes. Thanks, Sangeeta. The first thing I would say is, we're certainly not going to talk about pricing kind of theory on the call. What I would tell you is, we look at the opportunities, we look at the risk, we look at the size of the opportunities, we're putting all those things together. Again, I do want to just reinforce that we're excited about the Lumin Award, but the opportunity that's out in front of us in the data center space is significant.
And in addition to that, we still have as everybody noted this quarter, Verizon (NYSE:VZ) and Frontier, the transaction got approved by the shareholders. What they've talked about now is adding an incremental 7 to 12,000,000 passings from what we saw before. So if you look prior to Q3, there's already over 9,000,000 passings added incremental this year, another 7 to 12. We'll see what AT and T says in their upcoming call on December 3rd, that could be another 10,000,000 to 15,000,000 dollars So significant opportunities still there. We're very much excited about the opportunity to continue to start with the home passing and it's just great to see our customers continue to add CapEx and increase some of these homes pass.
So significant opportunities. And then of course, we got asked about BEAT before, not just BEAT, all of the funding in the Goatsworth world, whether that's the state programs or whether it's BEAT and whether it's everything else. We still see that that is going to continue to shape well as we look forward to next year. And when we combine all three of those opportunities, again, we look forward to the business and just see tons of growth potential and we're going to work hard to see if we can capitalize on that. Great.
Thank you so much for taking my questions.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from Eric Luebke from Wells Fargo (NYSE:WFC). Your line is open.
Eric Luebke, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Great. Thanks for taking the question and Steve, best of luck on the next stage into retirement. So just to kind of talk about some of the large opportunities you have, the AI data center build, the BEED program potentially picking up. Dan, maybe you could talk about whether you'll kind of have to ramp up your labor force to meet all this demand into the next year or so. And any color on what the environment is like for hiring new employees, whether they're direct ICON employees or subcontractors?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Hey, good morning, Eric. Appreciate the question. The first thing I'd say, we're strategic and disciplined in the way that we look at talent. We're making investments on training programs. We're making investments in facilities and something we're always trying to stay ahead of.
We don't stock up a ton of labor ahead of opportunities. We really want wait to see how the opportunities develop. What I would point out a couple of years ago, we grew almost 22% in 1 year. Really proud of the job that our teams did to stay ahead of that from a labor perspective. We'll see how everything shapes out.
To your point, we have a lot of factors that are coming together and we got to see what that shape looks like. But we feel confident that our teams can stay ahead of it. I'll certainly take significant effort, but we feel good about our position there. And then sorry, on your second question, you asked about mix for subcontractors. That depends on project by project, geography by geography.
And sometimes during the time of the project, we might start with more subcontractors to begin and we might work in towards our labor forces. So, always foresee a mix there.
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Got you. And I think
Eric Luebke, Analyst, Wells Fargo: the last earnings call, you mentioned that some of your smaller customers, you expected they may slow a little bit near term as they were kind of assessing opportunities under the Bead program in their core markets. So just wanted
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: to see if you think that's still
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: the case over the next couple
Eric Luebke, Analyst, Wells Fargo: of quarters as we get more clarity on state awards from Bead and any how that has tracked so far versus the expectations you laid out last quarter?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Sure. Yes. So this quarter, we did see just a little bit come down from our co ops when we look at it sequentially quarter over quarter. And we really do believe that that has to do with them waiting to see how these is going to shake out and where their funding lies. Again, looking at the Louisiana results, good to see some of our co op customers in that mix.
As they pick up some of that work, we think that that revenue is going to continue to move forward.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Great. Thank you, Dan.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from Gene Ramirez from D. A. Davidson. Your line is now open.
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Thank you. Just want to clarify, your cost of revenue and SG and A for the next quarter, is it in line or with 3Q or is there going to be a bit of a step up like you mentioned earlier?
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Thanks, Gene. This is Drew. So Q4 is going certainly from a gross margin perspective be impacted by the Q4 conditions around available work days, available work hours, winter weather conditions as well. And so typically, we see some sequential impacts associated with that. And then from a G and A perspective, there are certain seasonal costs that come through there as well as the business seasonally comes in.
There are certain costs there that come down, but it's something that we tightly manage.
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Thank you. And regarding the BEAT program, can you clarify whether you when will you actually start I guess the better question is, from your talks with your clients, when do you expect the actual building of fiber deployment? Will it be more towards the end of next fiscal year and going into 2026? Or would it or are you seeing more immediate turnarounds given how fast the B. Grom is expected to accelerate now that they've moved past the 2nd phase?
Eric Luebke, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Yes.
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: I
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: think Yes. Any color on that?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: For sure. Thanks, Jaeme. This is Dan. So again, I think Louisiana is kind of first out of the gate. So those are preliminary awards.
So we kind of see when they get to the actual awards. This is something we're tracking both with our customers. We're talking to the different state broadband rent programs as well. There's a lot of engineering to be done. There's a lot of permitting to be done.
So there is some time even from when we get to start talking to our customers about potential opportunities and awards. There's time after that to really get through that cycle. And that's why we think that we'll really start to see some revenue in the back half, latter half of calendar 2025 and then ramping into 2026 as those programs themselves ramp up.
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Thank you. And just again going back to the backlog question. I guess you're not parsing out what would be organic backlog, but if you're taking that 12 month number, What is the cadence of the backlog estimation during or the burn rate during next year? Will it be more second half weighted or do you see some similarities compared to this year?
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Yes, I'll jump in there. So pleased with the awards that we announced, the benefits that we see there both in the next 12 months as well as the total backlog. We're not going to disaggregate the timing of that. We're just I would just reiterate that we're happy to see that increase. And then the other thing I would add is that as we've talked about in the past, it's not always tightly correlated to the revenue growth.
That being said, I think the higher overall number as well as the next 12 month number is a nice starting point as we're looking ahead.
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Got it. Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. And Steve, congratulations and best of luck on your next chapter.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from Avi (JO:AVIJ) Jaroslawitz from UBS. Your line is open.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Hi, good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. Just wanted to unpack what's driving the organic growth slowdown, slight deceleration into Q4 here? Sure. This is Drew.
Avi, I'll jump in on that. So, one, we had a strong Q3. As we've provided in our outlook, we see mid to high single digit total growth and then low to mid organic growth. We've had some customers, we called this out on the last call that had a stronger front half of the year that are a bit slower in the back half of the year. And then certainly as you as we work into our Q4, as I mentioned with the available days, hours, etcetera, and weather, there's just certain amounts of constraints of how much you can grow during that period of time.
We're pleased with where we're heading. We're just not going to get ahead of ourselves in the outlook. Got it. That makes sense. Enjoy your retirement, Steve.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And our next question will come from Alan Mitrani from Sylvan Lake Asset Management. Your line is open.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries0: Hi, thank you and congratulations, Steve. This is, I think, my longest CEO relationship given how long you've been CEOs, like separation anxiety, you're going to have to maybe
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: I think Alan, my longest investor relationship too, and I may not have as much separation anxiety.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries0: We appreciate it. We look forward to working with Dan and the team. One thing that I noticed besides the slowdown, obviously, at least short term is the SG and A expense for last year and for this year it seems like is growing faster than the revenues. Is that can you talk about I realize there's been some transition, there's been multiple acquisitions and I'm talking about taking out some of these excess costs that you're talking about. Do you see foresee over the next year or 2 years obviously revenue starting to ramp up faster than SG and A?
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Yes, Alan, I'll jump in on that. This is Drew. So I think you had highlighted there, we did have some incremental costs the period that we called out about $7,100,000 of stock comp and some incremental integration costs about $4,200,000 If you strip those out, we're only up slightly year over year. I think what I would say is as we've been able to grow in the past, we've been able to get some operating leverage out of G and A and that would be something that I would expect to continue. Happy with what we see in the outlook and the opportunities that are there and we will just continue to tightly manage it.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries0: Yes. It seems like in the past you have had these situations where you are spending a little more to anticipate the next big revenue jump given that beat is coming and also these acquisitions and new opportunities with AI. Is that the setup that we're looking at over the next couple of years the way you envision it? I'm not talking about as a percent of revenue, SG and A has always been fairly contained and you guys have done a nice job. I'm talking about more just the next step up in terms of growing the ability to handle $5,000,000,000 to $6,000,000,000 plus in revenues instead of where you've been in the last few years?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Hey, Alan, this is Dan. Thanks for the question. So absolutely, first off, we're always working on G and A and like Chris said, it's highly managing that. Hopefully, you heard from me today, very excited about the opportunities, right. We see the pet center opportunity, which continues to grow quarter over quarter, conversation over conversation.
We talked about the customers have been very active strategically, some of the combinations they've been increasing their homes passed. Again, we think that's something else that's going to hopefully play out next year and in the years to come. And then you add to that BEED and other funding programs. So the growth opportunities appear to be there. We're going to work hard to see if we can capitalize on them.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries0: Great. And then lastly, there's been a lot of talk obviously with the new administration, Elon Musk and StarLink and you guys people talking about the potential, always the fear of being canceled or some sort of spending clawbacks. Can you talk about I realize you're further down on the totem pole, but can you just talk a little bit about how that works in terms of the allocation funding coming through the state, the matching with the government and the ability to delay or push that off? Just what your view is on that?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes. Well, I think the first thing on the alternative technologies, that's always been part of the conversation that predates the pending administration change. So we've always thought that would play a part because for some homes, it just is what's going to make the most sense from an economic standpoint. We'll see how that plays out state over state. Again, with Louisiana coming out and showing a very small percentage for satellite, we think that bodes well.
Over 95% is going to be fiber. And as we talked about, over $1,000,000,000 when you include the money brought in by the sub grantee. So a lot remains to be scripted. Obviously, we can't call the ball on everything that's going to come out of the new administration. But the states are pretty far along.
All 50 states have gone through Phase 2 now. They're all working. We have many of them now working on their sub grantee process. So I think we're all going to learn a lot here in the coming months.
Gene Ramirez, Analyst, D.A. Davidson: Thank you. Best of luck.
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And our next question comes from Adam Thalhimer from Thompson Davis. Your line is open.
Adam Thalhimer, Analyst, Thompson Davis: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the follow-up. AT and T, the awards in the quarter, were those wireless or wireline? And were there any new states in there?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes. Adam, this is Dan. Those were wireline, and yes, we were fortunate to pick up some new markets as well.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Yes. Adam, we did not list out the wireless in that. This was just new awards and extensions.
Adam Thalhimer, Analyst, Thompson Davis: Got it. And then Verizon was down sequentially more than I expected in Q3. I was curious if you pulled crews like from those territories for storms or what drove the sequential decline considering they want to do more FiOS builds?
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Yes. Not related to storm work. As you know, these builds, sometimes they go a little bit faster, sometimes they go a little bit slower. Certainly excited about our relationship and the work that we continue to do for Verizon. And like I talked about before, we see them getting through and getting the nod for the Frontier combination, we believe that's going to be a positive for us.
Adam Thalhimer, Analyst, Thompson Davis: Okay. And then just lastly, I think I had a note there were $2,500,000 of B and V integration costs in Q4, but I didn't see any in the guidance. So are those not?
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: No, Adam. So originally we had guided a little bit higher than we thought was going to come through. The actual integration cost in Q3 was $4,200,000 We've got some modest costs that we would expect in this quarter and we'll call them out if they're meaningful. But it wasn't notable for purposes of calling out ahead of time.
Eric Luebke, Analyst, Wells Fargo: Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Thank you.
Conference Operator: Thank you. And I am showing no further questions from our phone lines. I'd now like to turn the conference back to management for closing remarks.
Stephen Nielsen, Chief Executive Officer (Outgoing), Dycom Industries: Thanks, operator. To conclude this, my final call, I have a special word for all of the Dycom team. Since last June, I've traveled across the country to thank 100 of you in person for all you have done for me. I left each visit in awe of your dedication to our customers, your strong desire to excel, your commitment to the well-being of your fellow employees and most importantly, your integrity, doing the right thing even when no one is watching. In leaving DICOM, I have always tried to live up to an ancient Chinese proverb.
It says, A leader is best when the people barely know he exists. When his work is done, his aim fulfilled. They will say, we did it ourselves. And you really did. Today, my work for Dycom is done.
I aim for the company fulfilled. Remember, in everything, serve customers skillfully, deliver results with discipline, accountable in all you do. Thanks so much. It's been great.
Dan Paavich, President and Incoming Chief Executive Officer, Dycom Industries: Thank you and best wishes, Steve. We thank everybody for joining this morning. Look forward to updating you on our annual results the last week of February. Take care.
Conference Operator: Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.
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