UFP Industries, Inc. (NASDAQ: UFPI) has announced its first-quarter results for 2024, revealing net sales of $1.64 billion and earnings per share (EPS) of $1.96. Despite a challenging demand environment and a softer lumber market, the company's EPS outperformed expectations, bolstered by a nonrecurring tax benefit. UFP Industries emphasized its commitment to improving operating costs and consolidating excess capacity to navigate the short-term hurdles while investing strategically for long-term growth and efficiency.
Key Takeaways
- UFP Industries reported net sales of $1.64 billion and net earnings per share of $1.96 for Q1 2024.
- The company experienced lower demand and a softer lumber market, which impacted net sales.
- A nonrecurring tax benefit contributed to the EPS exceeding expectations.
- Adjusted EBITDA fell 10.5% to $181 million, but the adjusted EBITDA margin stayed above historical levels.
- UFP Industries declared a dividend of $0.33 per share and continued its share repurchase program.
- Investments in new products, technology, and acquisitions are planned to drive future growth.
Company Outlook
- UFP Industries plans to invest between $250 million and $300 million in capital expenditures in 2024, up from $180 million in 2023.
- The company anticipates soft demand and competitive pricing to persist for most of the year but is cautiously optimistic about improvements in the second half.
- Investments in expanding capacity for decorators in Selma and the northeast are underway, along with a project for Surestone, expected to add $100 million in sales potential.
Bearish Highlights
- Sales in the retail segment declined 17% to $629 million due to lower selling prices, product sales transfers, and unit sales.
- The packaging segment experienced a 13% drop in sales to $424 million, with reduced selling prices and units.
- Construction segment sales remained flat at $518 million, with lower selling prices offset by unit gains.
Bullish Highlights
- Gross profits in the retail segment increased by $6 million, driven by better inventory management and operational improvements.
- The company improved its cash cycle to 62 days, down from 71 days, reducing its net working capital investment.
- UFP Industries' trailing 12-month return on invested capital remained robust at nearly 20%.
Misses
- Gross profits in the packaging segment decreased by $35 million, although this was offset by a decrease in SG&A expenses.
- Gross profits in the construction segment fell by $7 million.
Q&A Highlights
- The company addressed pricing pressure in the packaging and construction industries, expecting the packaging market to stabilize and construction pricing to remain steady.
- UFP Industries plans to manage SG&A expenses through cost management and efficiency improvements.
- Expectations for the retail side of the business are tempered, with demand predicted to stay at current levels due to interest rate expectations.
- Growth is anticipated in the decorators segment, with investments to expand capacity in specific regions.
In light of the mixed performance across its segments, UFP Industries remains focused on its balanced business model and the strength it provides during economic downturns. The company's proactive measures in managing costs, investing in innovation, and expanding market reach position it to navigate current market challenges while laying the groundwork for future success. UFP Industries' stock performance and investor sentiment will continue to be influenced by its ability to execute on these strategies amidst a fluctuating economic landscape.
InvestingPro Insights
UFP Industries, Inc. (NASDAQ: UFPI) has recently shared its Q1 2024 results, showcasing resilience despite market challenges. To further gauge the company's financial health and investment potential, let's delve into some key metrics and insights from InvestingPro.
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- Market Cap (Adjusted): 6930M USD
- P/E Ratio (Adjusted) last twelve months as of Q4 2023: 14.18
- Dividend Yield as of the latest data: 1.17%
These figures suggest that UFP Industries is maintaining a solid market presence, with a market capitalization reflecting investor confidence. The adjusted P/E ratio indicates the company is reasonably valued relative to its earnings, which is an attractive sign for investors looking for sustainable growth opportunities. Additionally, a consistent dividend yield points to a reliable income stream for shareholders.
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Full transcript - Universal Forest (NASDAQ:UFPI) Q1 2024:
Operator: Good day and welcome to the Q1 2024 UFP Industries, Inc. Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only-mode. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker, Mr. Dick Gauthier, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Dick Gauthier: Welcome to the first quarter 2024 conference call for UFP Industries. Hosting the call today are CEO, Matt Missad and CFO, Mike Cole. Matt and Mike will offer prepared remarks and then the call will be open for questions. This conference call is available simultaneously in its entirety to all interested investors and news media through our webcast at ufpi.com. A replay will also be available at that website. Before I turn the call over to Matt Missad, let me remind you that today's press release and presentation include forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform act of 1995. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company's expectations and projections. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors identified in the press release and in the filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. I will now turn the call over to Matt Missad.
Matt Missad: Thank you, Dick and good morning everyone. Thank you for joining our first quarter 2024 investor call. The first quarter was generally in line with expectations and I'm proud of our team for dealing well with the uncertainty and still delivering strong results. That said, it remains difficult to have clear insight into the balance of the year. The conflicting economic indicators and forecasts by various economists have blurred the ability to make confident forecasts. So rather than wait for Johnny Nash [ph] to bring some clarity, the UFP team will continue to execute our plan and we will rely on our experience and our balanced business model to continue to improve. While Mike will review the financial details. The overall picture includes net sales for the quarter of $1.64 billion and net earnings per share of $1.96. Net sales were down due to lower demand and a lower level of lumber market, while EPS was above expectations, aided by a nonrecurring tax benefit for the quarter. Due to the slower demand, we are executing plans to improve operating costs and to consolidate excess capacity in the short term while still investing with optimism and strength in future growth and efficiency to implement our long term vision. We will discuss some of those improvements in a few moments. First, let's take a look at the segments. Retail solutions as a value added manufacturer, seller and self distributor, our products provide solutions for the DIY consumer as well as the professional contractor. Overall, retail saw lower sales but better bottom line results. Our ProWood and Sunbelt units saw unit declines in the quarter from strong unit volumes a year ago, and we expect the balance of the year to be in line with adjusted forecast from both big box and large independents. The Decorators product line continues to grow with modest unit increases this quarter. Once again, Decorators will be investing heavily in marketing to drive brand awareness and promote the industry leading and patented Surestone technology which we believe is the best composite substrate. And in addition to marketing, we have increased our new product development spend which will enable us to use planned capacity increases to drive additional products using the Surestone technology. The UFP Edge siding, pattern and trim products added an additional third party distribution in the quarter, which we expect will drive more growth later in the year. The revised forecast for repair and remodel for the balance of 2024 indicates a year-over-year unit demand reduction in the mid single digit range. The various indices also predict a rebound in 2025 and 2026. Business in the construction segment was strong, led by increases in both the site built and the factory built business units, with mortgage rates steadily around the 7% to 7.35% range. Growth expectations in site built have been tempered somewhat, particularly in the multifamily sector. While starts in 2024 are projected to be slightly up to slightly down from the $1.413 million actual housing starts in 2023. February starts were well above that target, while March starts were below the annual target. Some of the swings are attributable to different weather conditions in the markets year-over-year, but it does make predictions difficult. Factory built showed strong signs of improvement as unit sales increased and the team captured market share in the RV and cargo space. We have recognized the need to grow this area faster and drive more sales of both OEM products and aftermarket products. As part of our succession planning and to more quickly generate revenue from new products under the recreate brand, Jonathan West, a highly talented and respected 30 year teammate and the current executive vice president of Factory Built, will transition to the important new role as head of national sales and innovation for Factory Built beginning in the third quarter 2024. Chad Eastin, a 25 year veteran with outstanding relationships throughout the markets we serve, will assume the executive vice president role of this business unit by September 30. These changes underscore our commitment to be the best partner for our customers and to continue to drive more value add in our products and services. In the packaging segment, demand expectations have been muted. The expectations for the year have been tempered by higher for longer interest rates, and the purchasing managers index dropped below 50 in March, which would suggest continued softness in end consumer demand for many of the runways. However, I am pleased with the team's ability to adjust to the market conditions and remain on offense to provide better results. They have consistently evaluated capacity, internal costs and ability to create manufacturing efficiencies. Recent investments in automated equipment and operating changes, coupled with demand forecasts have enabled facilities to produce more in the same footprint. As a result, we plan to consolidate seven facilities by the end of Q3, with expected annual cost savings in 2025 estimated at $8 million. In addition, we are analyzing an additional four facilities and other product areas for possible consolidation or alternative paths to market by year end. Balancing transportation costs and service to the customers are key considerations in the financial analysis for these locations. With a clear path on the cost side, it is important to note that our sales teams are aggressively seeking new accounts while also protecting market share and increasing value added opportunities for our customers. While there may be short term economic challenges, the long term outlook for UFP packaging remains very strong. We will continue to invest in automation, innovation and acquisition to advance our goal of becoming a global packaging solutions provider. Some items of interest in our focus areas and departments are new products. New product sales for the first quarter were $124 million. We enhanced the definition of new products to drive more value added products and services and set a target of $510 million for 2024 - takes into account the expected lower level of the lumber market for lumber related products. Through the first quarter. We are on track to meet the annual target. In the purchasing area with more capacity online and still more on the way, no significant moves are expected in the level of the lumber market. We expect that the mills will manage the supply side by taking production offline at less efficient mills to match market demand rather than to further erode their margins. On the transportation side, transportation costs have become more competitive, albeit at a higher level. Demand is lower for the transportation industry while costs including fuel and insurance have increased. So in spite of lower demand, finding qualified drivers still continues to be challenging. On the human capital side, we continue to seek quality applicants to help us grow and to strengthen our team. While the headline U3 [ph] unemployment data seems low, the more accurate U6 [ph] unemployment rate for March was 7.4% up from 7% at the end of December. An estimated 303,000 full and part time jobs were added in March, with more than half of those in nonprofits and government, 39,000 were added in construction due in part to milder weather this year. Jobs and manufacturing remained unchanged. Compensation and benefits continue to climb as rising minimum wage rates drive all other wage rates higher and fuel inflationary pressure as costs for goods and services rise. As counter to these increases, our incentive compensation plans automatically adjust to reflect pre bonus operating profit. When profits are down, incentives are reduced, which in turn encourages our team of high achievers to drive improvements faster. On the capital allocation side, our capital plan centered on three areas growth, investment in new products, technology in our future, and providing strong returns to our shareholders. Whether via M&A or organic growth, we will aggressively pursue our runways. Acquisitions have been more challenging. However, the target pipelines have begun to expand and we maintain our philosophy that if we are unable to acquire reasonably priced acquisition targets, we will grow organically. We have increased capital spending on organic growth, including greenfield growth, over the last few years. We expect to authorize $100 million in 2024 for these projects. We expect another $100 million to be spent on new product capacity increases, technology investments, research and development, and innovation, and to ensure strong returns for our shareholders, the board declared a dividend of $0.33 per share payable on June 17, 2024, to shareholders of record as of June 3, 2024, and in our share repurchase plan as of last week, we have repurchased 671,291 shares of stock and still have 97 million remaining on a repurchase authorization. It's $97 million. Even though we are pursuing growth strategies for the future, we are confident that our shares are a very good long term investment. In other macro outlook items, we would summarize the future outlook to be a tale of two different consumer types. Those that are doing well in the current economy are making the bulk of the retail purchases. These purchasers can sustain the current levels of demand and have kept our businesses all floating. We could improve demand if we could provide lower cost to those whose limited resources have been decimated due to high energy costs and inflationary impacts on basic necessities such as housing, transportation and food. I would endorse reducing inflation and providing relief by allowing the markets to work, reducing costs such as energy, education and unnecessary regulations. I won't hold my breath waiting for the adoption of my suggestions, so we will continue to drive our business, execute our strategies, and create value for our shareholders. Now I'd like to turn it over to Mike Cole to review the financial information.
Mike Cole: Thank you, Matt. Our consolidated results this quarter include a 10% drop in sales to $1.64 billion, largely driven by a 9% reduction in selling prices, while unit sales declined by just 1%. The decline in selling prices resulted from a drop in lumber and more competitive pricing in certain business units. Our overall unit sales held up well this quarter in spite of a more challenging demand environment due to the strength of our balanced business model. While adjusted EBITDA dropped 10.5% to $181 million, we're pleased to report our adjusted EBITDA margin remained well above historical levels and improved sequentially from Q4 to 11%. I was also pleased to see our cash cycle improved to 62 days this year from 71 days last year, which reduced our investment in net working capital and contributed to a $20 million improvement in our cash used in operations in a quarter that has seasonal working capital demands. Our trailing 12 month return on invested capital also remains at historically high levels, at nearly 20%, about two times our weighted average cost of capital. We've significantly increased our dividends and share repurchases this year and our balance sheet remains strong with a net cash surplus of $703 million this year compared to $145 million last year. Moving on to our segments, sales in our retail segment dropped 17% to $629 million, consisting of a 6% decline in selling prices, a 3% decline due to transfers of certain product sales to other segments, and an 8% decline in unit sales. The unit decline was comprised of a 9% drop in volume with big box customers and a 7% decline in volume with independent retailers due to soft demand and more conservative inventory positioning. By business unit, we experienced a 9% unit decline in ProWood that was partially offset by a 4% unit gain and our sales of decorators, decking and railing products, which continues to experience solid demand. In spite of lower overall demand and sales volumes in the retail segment, we're pleased to report a $6 million increase in our gross profits for the quarter, driven by a variety of factors including better inventory management, SKU rationalization and operating improvements in each of our business units. Operating profits also improved by $6 million as SG&A expenses were flat. Moving on to packaging, sales in this segment dropped 13% to $424 million, consisting of an 11% decline in selling prices and a 6% decrease in units partially offset by a 4% increase as a result of the transfer from retail. As we mentioned over the last couple of quarters, customer demand continues to be soft and that's contributed to more competitive pricing. As a result of these factors, gross profits dropped by $35 million year-over-year for the quarter, but were encouraged by the sequential improvement in sales and gross profit since Q4. The year-over-year decline in gross profits was offset by an $11 million decrease in SG&A resulting from a drop in incentive compensation expenses. Consequently, operating profits in the packaging segment declined by $24 million to $31 million. Turning to construction, sales in this segment were flat at $518 million as the 10% decline in selling prices was offset by an 8% gain in units and a 2% increase as a result of the transfer from retail. The improvement in volume was due to our Site Build [ph] unit, which increased 18%, and our Factory Built unit which increased 16%. Comparatively, national year-over-year housing starts from December to February increased 7% and year to date Factory Built home shipments increased 17%. These volume increases were offset by declines in our commercial and concrete forming business units. The decline in selling prices was primarily experienced in our Site Built and Concrete Forming business units, which, along with the unit declines I mentioned, resulted in a $7 million reduction in our overall gross profits for the quarter. When combined with a $2 million increase in SG&A, our operating profits declined by $9 million to $45 million for the quarter. As we manage through this cycle, each segment continues to focus on executing our strategies to grow our portfolio of value added products. Our year-to-date ratio of value added sales to total sales improved slightly to 69% this year and our ratio of new product sales to total sales also improved slightly to 7.6% this year. We're also mindful of our cost structure in this environment as we ensure the company is appropriately sized relative to demand while still providing the resources needed to execute our long term strategies. Our SG&A expenses came in on plan for the quarter and were $3 million lower than last year, primarily driven by lower bonus and sales incentives offset by higher base wages and benefit costs. Moving on to our cash flow statement, our cash flow used in operations was $17 million compared to $37 million last year. As a reminder, in Q1 and Q2, we experienced a seasonal increase in net working capital, which is converted into cash flow in Q3 and Q4. The $20 million improvement over last year was due to lower volumes in lumber prices and an improvement in our cash cycle, all of which reduced our investment in net working capital. Our cash cycle this year decreased to 62 days from 71 days last year due to a two day improvement in our receivable cycle as our receivables remain a healthy 95% current and a seven day improvement in our days supply of inventory due to our construction segment. Our investing activities included $49 million in capital expenditures. Our target for the year is $250 million to $300 million and we've already approved $100 million of projects with another $200 million of requests in our pipeline for evaluation as we continue to invest to support our long term growth strategy. As a reminder, our expansionary capital investments are primarily focused on three key areas, expanding our capacity to manufacture new and value added products, geographic expansion in core higher margin businesses and achieving efficiencies through automation. Finally, our financing activities included returning capital to shareholders through almost $20 million of dividends and $37 million of share repurchases. Turning to our capital structure and resources, we continue to have a strong balance sheet with $703 million in surplus cash and in excess of debt compared to $145 million last year. And our total liquidity was $2.2 billion, which consists of cash of nearly $1 billion and more than $1.2 billion in availability under long term lending agreements. With respect to capital allocation, we plan to continue to pursue a balanced and return driven approach between dividends, share buybacks, capital investments and M&A. As we've discussed in the past, our highest priority for capital allocation is to drive organic and inorganic growth that results in higher margins and returns. Our strategy also includes continuing to grow our dividends in line with our free cash flow growth, and repurchase our stock to offset dilution from share based compensation plans. We'll continue to opportunistically buy back more stock when it's trading at a discounted value. Most recently, our Board approved a quarterly dividend of $0.33 a share to be paid in June, representing a 32% increase from the rate paid a year ago. Through the end of last week, we repurchased 671,000 shares of stock at an average price of $114.43, offsetting the issuance of 450,000 shares under our compensation plans. We currently have remaining authorization to repurchase $97 million worth of stock through the end of July 2024. As we mentioned last quarter, as a result of the growth and margin improvement opportunities we see, we plan to meaningfully increase our total capital expenditures to an estimated range of $250 million to $300 million in 2024, compared to approximately $180 million in 2023. Expansionary capital investments are expected to comprise $150 million to $200 million of this total. We plan to continue to invest at this elevated level to capitalize on the automation and higher margin growth opportunities we see in each of our segments. Finally, we continue to pursue a pipeline of M&A opportunities that are a strong strategic fit while providing higher margin return and growth potential. Recently we've seen more activity in our pipeline, which is encouraging. As a reminder, our first priority is to go through M&A, but if the opportunities aren't present or valuations aren't appropriate, we'll pivot to greenfield growth. I'll finish up with comments about our outlook for the rest of the year. We believe the soft demand and more competitive pricing we're currently experiencing will continue for most of the year, but we're cautiously optimistic, we'll see year over year improvements beginning in the back half of the year due to more favorable comparisons. Our outlook is heavily dependent on the health of the economy, including the trajectory of interest rates. By segment. We continue to plan for total housing starts that are essentially flat with last year with a significant increase in single family starts offset by a decrease in multifamily. We're now planning for mid single digit declines in demand in retail and packaging, softer than we originally anticipated, but prudent, we think, based on current market conditions. So while we manage through mixed conditions in the short term, we remain confident in our long term growth and margin potential and continue to invest in - to properly position the company to capitalize on those opportunities. That's all I have in the financials, Matt.
Matt Missad: Thank you, Mike. Now I'd like to open it up for any questions that you may have.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of Ketan Mamtora with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Ketan Mamtora: Thank you. Good morning, Matt, Mike and Dick.
Matt Missad: Morning, Ketan.
Ketan Mamtora: Well, first question, perhaps you know, starting with decorators, I saw that you talked about volumes up 4%, yet sales were up 10%. So is the balanced price, is it mixed? Can you just give a little more color on that?
Mike Cole: Yes, it's both. I think the Surestone product continues to have strong growth rates and it's getting to the point where it's almost as large as the WPC product we sell. And obviously that comes at a higher price and that's caused the higher sales increase than the unit increase.
Ketan Mamtora: Got it. And how big is the complete piece? Both the WPC plus Surestone [ph] So decorators - decking in total at this point or 2023?
Mike Cole: I'm sorry, can you repeat that?
Matt Missad: The deck in total.
Mike Cole: It's about $150 million with the WPC being maybe $10 million higher than the mineral based composite.
Ketan Mamtora: I see. So a little over $300 million both put together? Is that fair?
Mike Cole: No, it's $150 million both put together.
Ketan Mamtora: Oh, I see. Got it. Okay.
Mike Cole: 150 to 160. I don't have it in front of me, but that's about the number.
Ketan Mamtora: Yep. Okay, perfect.
Mike Cole: That's just decking, by the way. Railing now is on top of that, along with the other products we sell through decorators.
Ketan Mamtora: Understood. Thanks for that clarification. And then switching to packaging. I know. Mike, in your outlook comments, you talked about sort of competitive price pressure. I'm curious, just specifically on the packaging side, what are you seeing right now in terms of just that pricing pressure, both on the structural packaging side and on the pallet side?
Mike Cole: Yes. The market is still soft. We think we mentioned a couple of months ago when we released, we were hopeful that the first half of the year we'd reach a bottom. And I think, more anecdotally, we think that's the case. It feels like, it doesn't feel like things are getting any worse from a pricing and a volume standpoint. And so now we'll be waiting for things to turn.
Ketan Mamtora: Understood. That's helpful. I'll jump back in the queue. Good luck.
Mike Cole: Thanks, Ketan.
Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question, and that will come from the line of Stephan Guillaume with Sidoti. Your line is open.
Stephan Guillaume: All right. Good morning. Can you hear me?
Matt Missad: Yes. Good morning.
Stephan Guillaume: All right. Any thoughts on the pricing trend, like, affecting the construction industry? Like, how far do you project prices within the segment to decline before reaching, like, a state of stability?
Matt Missad: Yes. I think if we kind of consider the overall construction market and we look at kind of the pricing metrics, I think what you're seeing now is what I'd call a more normalized view today. I think in terms of pricing, we don't expect a lot of change relative to where we are in the current state. It came down versus a year ago, given the market conditions. Lumber market was tended to be higher a year ago, so there was some built in jobs that were pre purchased. Now, with the market being much more level, it probably has, in my opinion, anyway, it's leveled off at the current pricing levels. It'll be a situation where demand is going to drive the differences.
Stephan Guillaume: All right, thank you. Focusing on SG&A, like, could you outline your strategy for managing SG&A expensive - expenses relative to sales over the next year or so, especially in the context of incremental investment, how would you approach this in a challenging environment?
Matt Missad: Sure. And I think one of the things that I think we're very, very good at, and I give tons of credit to all of our leaders who are running our operations. They focus on SG&A costs every day. And we have, as I mentioned, some built in safeguards with respect to incentive compensation, which tends to be a large variable cost item for us. So that's automatically managed. So if profitability is lower, incentive compensation is lower. And as I indicated, none of us likes to lose, so we want to make sure we're winning. So we're highly motivated to keep driving more efficiencies to manage those SG&A cost downward when trends are in a downward direction and to also keep a cap on them as we're growing. We are making several investments on the SG&A side in innovation and new products and marketing, which we talked about because we believe that's going to drive much more value in the future. But in terms of looking at facility consolidations, which we discussed, looking at, hiring personnel counts, all those things, we take a very close look at that all the time. And our goal is to not have event driven items, but rather manage that consistently on a day to day basis. And I think our teams do a terrific job of that.
Stephan Guillaume: All right, thank you so much for taking my questions.
Matt Missad: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Reuben Garner with Benchmark. Your line is open.
Reuben Garner,: Thank you. Good morning, everybody. So I guess first a clarification, Matt, on the construction pricing. Were your comments about kind of, I think you said something about locked in pricing. Was that multifamily side of your business that would have changed dramatically on a year-over-year basis?
Matt Missad: Yeah, I think so. Reuben. I think as you know, multifamily projects have a longer lead time and so there's a - we're required to actually get inventory sooner on those types of projects. In a market where it's high and then declining, obviously that creates opportunity for expansion of margin.
Reuben Garner,: Got it. And then on the retail side, a pretty meaningful change in your outlook in a couple of months. And I think you referenced more conservative inventory positioning from your customers. I don't know if that was specific to big box or the independent retailers in the press release, but just any color there, more color there on what you're seeing or hearing. Is this an ongoing destocking or were you expecting some sort of rebound earlier in the year that doesn't look like it's going to come to fruition at this point?
Matt Missad: Yeah, that's a great question. And what I would point to is the, I'll call it reasonable optimism that the second half of the year was going to be significantly better because we were expecting interest rate to come down a little bit from the Fed. That doesn't appear to be happening. So that's the largest single issue. I think we're just basically reflecting the difference and we're looking at what we're seeing. We're talking to our customers. They're indicating a change from what even we had a couple months ago because of the interest rate expectations. So we haven't lost any confidence in the business. We still believe that our share is strong and we have opportunities to gain share and we will certainly be doing our best to do that. But we think overall demand without the interest rate drop is going to be kind of in line with where we are today, as opposed to improving in the second half.
Reuben Garner,: And just one last quick follow up there. Your first quarter kind of mix between ProWood and composites or decorators. Would it look something like that as the year progresses, where we may still see growth in the decorator side and it's offset by unit declines in the treated lumber business?
Matt Missad: Yes, we would expect that. I think it's also important, Reuben, to note that I'm certainly not talking on a sequential basis. I'm talking more relative to year-over-year because second and third quarter we still expect will be more in line kind of with seasonality, typical seasonality. But we do expect that decorators has opportunities to continue to grow and take share.
Reuben Garner,: Got it. Thank you, guys. I'll pass it on. Good luck.
Matt Missad: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our next question that will come from the line of Kurt Yinger with D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.
Kurt Yinger: Great, thanks and good morning, everyone.
Matt Missad: Good morning, Kurt.
Kurt Yinger: I just wanted to go back to Site Build and hopefully put a bow on it. But you talked about pricing and the idea that from a competitive standpoint, seems like things have kind of stabilized there. Is there a tail impact from the multifamily dynamic that may continue to weigh on margins, even though pricing is generally stable at this point? Or do you think you've worked through those challenges as a whole?
Matt Missad: That's a good question, Kurt. I'm not sure I have a great answer for you. I guess what I would look to is the consolidation in the industry over the last few years on the Site Build side, I think probably is a dynamic that needs to be considered as you think about what's going on in the marketplace. We have expected that multifamily, at some point in time would take a brief pause or peers that maybe that's where we are as they wait for rates to improve. So I think my outlook right now is that if demand stays relatively in this range, that the pricing should stay relatively in this range.
Kurt Yinger: Got it. Okay, thanks for that. And then on the retail side, it was kind of striking to me, looking at the gross margin. Very strong for that business, which is surprising, considering volumes seem to still be a little bit soft and not a whole heck of a lot going on in lumber. So maybe give us a little bit more color around what you saw there and whether there was anything from a mix perspective worth calling out with the transfer of certain sales to other segments.
Matt Missad: Yeah, that's a good observation, Kurt, and I think there might be a little bit of a head fake [ph] in there. You know this well, but if we look at our - if we look at how we price products there with a fixed adder, when the lumber market goes down, obviously the percentage goes up, even though the fixed adder is the same. So I think you're seeing that as a big contributor to this swing that you're observing there. It's primarily driven more by the lower lumber market than by anything else. And the team's been working really hard on operating improvements. So I know the retail team has added inventory managers. Inventories are much more, much better positioned now than they've been in the past. We're using our vendor managed inventory programs more now than we have in the past. Last year, we were still integrating the Sunbelt team into our ERP systems and, and operating practices. The Edge team kind of stubbed its toe out of the gate, so there's a lot of opportunities for operating improvements, and the team's just done a fantastic job on getting after those.
Kurt Yinger: Got you. And about a year ago, you guys acquired Cedar Poly. Any noteworthy kind of updates in terms of integration and savings that the combination of that and decorators has provided thus far?
Matt Missad: Yeah, so if you look at Cedar Poly, we've essentially become - they're not exclusive, necessarily, but pretty close to their exclusive customer for our wood plastic composite operations. We're exploring the other opportunities to open that up for other materials which could be used with our Surestone technology. But that's served us very well and in line with what we expected in terms of cost savings. And we are continuing to explore additional opportunities, including being able to utilize more recycled material in our finished products. Our commitment to quality once requires us to make sure that quality comes first. And if we can add more recycled content without hurting quality at all, we'll continue to do that.
Kurt Yinger: Got you. Okay. And then just last one, can you remind us any notable organic growth plans or, sorry, organic capital plans in the Site Build business this year? And I guess as we look at the $100 million of kind of growth related CapEx, how much of that is related to decorators capacity specifically this year?
Matt Missad: Yeah, I'll answer the first question first. And Mike can probably give you the specific numbers if we're allowed to give you the specific numbers. But what I would tell you is we have significant amounts built in for the Site Build group to expand both geographically and to improve certain locations, including relocating existing locations to larger, more efficient facilities. So that's baked into those numbers, as well as adding decorators capacity, which we've talked about on prior calls and talked about a couple months ago as well. We're excited about growing that capacity both in Selma and in a location in the northeast. So those are all on the board for this year.
Mike Cole: And we had a - I think we announced a project we approved to expand capacity for Surestone last summer, and that's going to be completed here shortly. And I think that capacity probably adds another $100 million in sales potential to that business unit. And then northeast side is new for us now.
Kurt Yinger: Got it.
Matt Missad: So that'll be a [indiscernible] in the last project will result in some sales increases going forward.
Kurt Yinger: Okay. Got it. Thank you guys for the detail. Appreciate it.
Matt Missad: Thank you.
Operator: Thank you. I'm showing no further questions in the queue at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Matt Missad for any closing remarks.
Matt Missad: Well, thank you again for spending the time with us today. In 2024, we're not going to sit back and wait for the economy to improve. Instead, we are going to get in the Olympic spirit and do what we were trained to do. Work hard, take care of our customers, take care of our teammates, and win in the marketplace. I am confident our team will continue to drive success and as Tom Petty [ph] suggested, do whatever it takes to make it better in 2024. Have a great day.
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