Equinox Gold Corp . (NYSE: NYSE:EQX) reported its second-quarter 2024 financial and operational results, highlighting both progress and challenges. CEO Greg Smith announced the acquisition of the remaining 40% stake in the Greenstone mine, which is on track to reach commercial production by Q3's end.
However, geotechnical issues at the Arizona Piaba open pit prompted a mining suspension and reduced production guidance. The company also shifted its strategy at Castle Mountain Phase one, opting for residual leach operations and focusing on the phase two expansion.
Equinox Gold updated its 2024 guidance to 655,000-750,000 ounces of gold, with cash costs of $1,305-$1,405 per ounce and all-in sustaining costs of $1,635-$1,735 per ounce. Q2 saw the sale of 115,000 ounces of gold, generating $269 million in revenue and a net income of $204 million, alongside an adjusted net loss of $6 million. Financing activities, including a $500 million term loan, were completed to fund the Greenstone acquisition.
Key Takeaways
- Equinox Gold updated its 2024 consolidated guidance to 655,000-750,000 ounces of gold.
- Q2 2024 revenue reached $269 million from the sale of 115,000 ounces of gold, with a net income of $204 million.
- The company reported an adjusted net loss of $6 million and completed financing activities for the Greenstone acquisition.
- Greenstone mine is ramping up, with a first gold pour on May 22nd and commercial production expected by the end of Q3.
- Geotechnical issues at the Piaba open pit in Arizona led to a suspension of mining activities and a reduced production forecast.
- The company spent $31 million in sustaining expenses in Q2, consistent with Q1 spending.
Company Outlook
- Equinox Gold is focusing on de-leveraging and reducing debt through free cash flow from its mining operations.
- The company has $160 million in unrestricted cash and $105 million available in a revolving credit facility as of June 30th.
- Commercial production at Greenstone is expected to begin in Q3, with the mine showing positive progress and high recoveries during ramp-up.
Bearish Highlights
- Mining at the Piaba open pit in Arizona was suspended due to geotechnical issues, affecting production guidance.
- Equinox Gold transitioned Castle Mountain Phase one to residual leach only, suspending contract mining and processing.
Bullish Highlights
- The Greenstone mine ramp-up is progressing well, with a large stockpile of mined material ready for processing.
- The company remains optimistic about the long-term prospects of the Los Filos mine and is working on community agreements.
- Santa Luz faced challenges with new technology but is expected to perform better in the second half of the year.
Misses
- The company did not provide exact figures for the amount of waste rock delivered to tailing facilities during the call.
- Specific stockpile grades were not disclosed but are promised to be provided later.
Q&A Highlights
- Equinox Gold is confident in managing the convertible note due in October through cash and existing liquidity.
- Alternative funding options like refinancing or renewing the ATM are available but not part of the current plan.
- The company encourages stakeholders to visit their website for more information and support through donations.
Equinox Gold's Q2 results reflect a company navigating operational challenges while making strategic advances. The successful ramp-up of the Greenstone mine and the proactive management of financial obligations demonstrate the company's adaptability in a dynamic industry. With a clear focus on advancing its projects and maintaining financial stability, Equinox Gold continues to execute its growth strategy amidst the typical uncertainties of mining operations.
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Full transcript - Equinox Gold Corp (EQX) Q2 2024:
Operator: Thank you for standing. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Equinox Gold Second Quarter 2024 Results and Corporate Update. As a reminder, all participants are in a listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Rhylin Bailie, Vice President, Investor Relations for Equinox Gold. Please go ahead.
Rhylin Bailie: Thank you, Galene, and thank you everybody for joining us today for our Q2 call. Peter and I are dialing in from beautiful Princeton BC because we are two days into the ride to Greenstone. So, this is a big -- not cross Canada, I guess cross half of Canada. We're riding from Vancouver to our new mine in Geraldton, Ontario to celebrate the mine opening, but also to raise money for the Geraldton District Hospital, which is the hospital that serves the Greenstone Mine workforce and also five indigenous communities and about a almost a 3000 square kilometer region in Northern Ontario. So it's going really well so far. It's super exciting. We've got people from our mine sites in Brazil and the States and in Mexico that have flown up to Canada to join us for the ride, and we're making our way across the country, raising money for the hospital. Like I said, we've raised almost $1.2 million so far thanks to the generosity of our vendors and some industry sponsors. We're also raising money for four schools and a hospital in Brazil and for the Alzheimer's Association of California. So, if you're interested in more information about that, you can go to the Ride to Greenstone website or the Equinox Gold website and please do follow the progress as our cyclists make their way across the country. After that plug, we'll now turn it over to the conference call. So, we will of course be making a number of forward-looking statements today. Please do visit our website, SEDAR and EDGAR to learn more about the Company. And I'll turn the call over now to our president and CEO, Greg Smith.
Greg Smith: Thanks Rhylin. Good morning and thanks everyone for joining the call today. On the line with me is our COO, Doug Reddy; our CFO, Peter Hardie; and our EVP of Exploration, Scott Heffernan, and of course our VP of Investor Relations, who you just heard from, Rhylin Bailie. Today we are discussing Equinox Gold's 2024 second quarter financial and operating results. I'll start with a broad overview of the quarter, and then I'll turn over the call to Pete and Doug for more details. I'm going to start with safety. We did unfortunately have a fatality at our Fazenda mine in Brazil in June. This was a tragedy for all of us at Equinox and we extend our deepest sympathies to our employees and also the family, friends and coworkers. We did have a site-wide suspension of operations at Fazenda in June to facilitate both the investigation and also to refresh our site safety training. On the environment side, we did have no significant environmental incidents during the second quarter. And as previously reported, we published our fiscal 2023 ESG report in May during the quarter, and you can find the report on the Equinox Gold website. Before the quarter, we produced just over 122,000 ounces of gold and sold just over 115,000 ounces at cash cost per ounce sold of 1,747 and an all-in sustaining cost per ounce sold of $2,041 per ounce. For the first six months of the year, we produced approximately 234,000 ounces and sold approximately 232,000 ounces at cash cost of $1,653 per ounce and all-in sustaining costs of 1993 per ounce. We did have a few developments during the quarter that affected our production and costs in Q2 and also drove an update to our fiscal 2024 guidance. In mid-May, we completed the acquisition of the 40% of our Greenstone mine that we didn't already own. We spoke about this on the Q1 call and in a couple of press releases, but as a reminder, this transaction delivers full ownership of the Greenstone mine to Equinox Gold and consolidates ownership of Greenstone, which is one of the largest and highest-grade open pick gold mines of scale in Canada. This transaction is accretive to our cash flow and our EBITDA. It delivers substantial near-term value and it increases the Company's average mine life reserves production all while lowering our consolidated per ounce operating costs. Greenstone has been ramping up largely on plan with our first gold pour in late May, and just over 16,000 ounces produced through the end of June. Production has continued to ramp up with just under 20,000 ounces produced in July alone at Greenstone. We recently concluded a multi-day shutdown to address various wear and process issues identified through the startup and are now pushing toward achieving commercial production by the end of Q3. With the ramp up progressing well, we've maintained our guidance for Greenstone with an increase to reflect the consolidation of ownership. We previously reported in April that we experienced some geotechnical issues in the south wall of the Piaba open pit at Arizona and that we had temporarily suspended mining in Piaba. We continued to process stockpiled ore through April and production in Q2 at Arizona primarily reflects processing of this material. We then idled the mill in May and June and accelerated mining in the new Tatajuba open pit. We did begin processing first ore from Tatajuba in early July. We are working on mitigation activities to recommence mining in Piaba and this is progressing well. As the timing of starting mining again in Piaba does remain uncertain, guidance for Arizona has been reduced to take into account loss production during the suspension of processing in May and June, and also to reflect the lower grade ore mined primarily from Tatajuba through the remainder of the year. At Mesquite 2024 is primarily a stripping year as we pre-strip the ginger pit, which supplies ore to the mine or to the heap in 2025. Mining at Mesquite has been performing well with recoverable ounces of stacked exceeding plan. However, we are seeing slower than expected recoveries off the heap leach pad from ore stacked in prior periods in part due to the increasing pad height. We are working to accelerate production, but we have reduced our 2024 production guidance for Mesquite to account for the slower recoveries. Finally, the Company has concluded its previously reported assessment of the phase one operations of Castle Mountain, and we've elected to suspend the contract mining and processing at Castle Mountain Phase one and transition to residual leach only. We will continue to focus on advancing permitting and engineering of the phase two expansion at Castle. Our guidance has been updated to reflect this change at Castle Mountain and Castle will be reported as a development project going forward. Of course, we will continue to recover ounces off the pad through the year and into next year. With these changes reflected, consolidated guidance for 2024 has been updated from 660,000 to 750,000 ounces of gold to 655,000 to 750,000 ounces of gold with costs updated to cash costs of $1,305 to $1,405 per ounce and all-in sustaining costs of $1,635 to $1,735 per ounce. This continues to reflect a substantial increase in gold production at much lower cost over the second half of the year. With that, I'll turn it over to Pete to discuss our financial results.
Peter Hardie: Thanks, Greg. We're now on slide seven in the presentation. During Q2, we sold 115,000 ounces of gold at a realized price of $2,328 per ounce for revenues of $269 million. Total sales included 10,000 ounces sold by Greenstone. Income from mine operations was $27 million. We had $199 million in operating expenses in Q2 ‘24 compared to $193 million in Q2 2023. Operating expense in Q2 2024 increased 3% compared to Q2 2023 primarily due to the contribution of operating expense at Greenstone, which was a construction project in 2023 and did not have operating expenses and a higher operating expense at Los Filos, which was driven by an increase in the underground mining activity, offset by lower operating expense at Arizona that Greg mentioned earlier. On a per unit basis, we had a higher than usual Q2 2024 cash cost of $1,747 an ounce. The increase over previous quarters is primarily volume driven with the lower production at Arizona due to the geotechnical issue at the Piaba pit. The same explanation applies to our higher than usual, all-in sustaining cost per ounce for the quarter. Note that Greenstone is not yet in commercial production, so when you're looking at our cost metrics, the 10,000 ounces it's sold along with the related cost of production are excluded from the calculation of cash cost and all-in sustaining cost metrics we reported in Q2. That said, the revenues and related operating costs are still reported in the income statement as required by IFRS. Our EBITDA in Q2 2024 was $510 million included in EBITDA is a fair value gain on remeasure of our Greenstone ownership interest that recorded when moving from proportionate to full consolidation. For counting purposes, we record the change as if you sold the 60% ownership interest we had at fair value. The gain results from the difference in fair value and the cost that the 60% interest was carried out, and that gain is about $470 million. Our adjusted EBITDA $51 million for Q2 is the same as Q1 2024 and down $19 million from Q2 2023 is adjusted EBITDA of $71 million. The decrease in adjusted EBITDA in Q2 2024 compared to Q2 2023 was primarily due to the impact of an $8.8 million realized loss on gold contracts in Q2 2024. We didn't have any in Q2 2023. In addition, we had a small realized loss on foreign exchange contracts this quarter, whereas in Q2 2023 we had a $9.1 million realized gain on the same. We had net income of $204 million for basic earnings per share of $0.72, $0.61 a share fully diluted. On an adjusted basis, we had a net loss of $6 million or $0.01 cents per share. Cash flow from operations before changes the non-cash working capital was $45 million or $0.12 a share. With respect to our sustaining spend for Q2, we spent $31 million, which is pretty much in line with what we did in Q1 this year. With regards to Greenstone with the mine and plant wrapping up, Greenstone should now fund itself from a cash flow perspective. For Greenstone on a 100% basis, a total of $1.37 billion project to date has been spent on construction and commissioning. Equinox's share of that spend was $55 million during the quarter, $109 million year-to-date and $834 million project to-date, which excludes capitalized interest in other non-cash amounts capitalized. We had a busy quarter for corporate financing activity. To fund the $955 million, we needed to acquire the remaining ownership of Greenstone. We amended our existing senior revolving credit facility to a range of $500 million term loan completed a bought deal equity financing for gross proceeds of $299 million. We issued 42 million shares directly Orion Mine Finance and issued a $40 million promissory note to Orion Mine Finance that matures in December, 2024. Under the terms of the 299 million bought deal equity financing, the Company issued 56.4 million shares at $5.30 per share. The $500 million term loan matures May 13, 2027. No principal repayments are required under the term loan for the first two years of the three-year term. Quarterly repayments will commence on August 13, 2026 equal to 10% of the outstanding principal amount with the remaining outstanding principle payable at maturity. The Company may repay, or pardon me, prepay any portion of the outstanding term loan at any time without penalty. Interest, covenants and other terms are substantially consistent with the Company's existing revolving credit facility and the term loan benefits from the same security package as the revolving credit facility. During Q2, we also amended two of the convertible notes by extending their maturities by six months. The maturity date of the 2019 convertible notes was extended from April 12th of this year to October 12th, and the maturity date of the 2020 convertible notes was extended from March 10, 2025 to September 10, 2025. In addition, the conversion price of the 2020 convertible notes was amended from $7.80 per share to $6.50 per share. For the $500 million term loan, the Company was required to have in place 328,000 ounces of gold hedges of our forward gold production through mid 2026. The Company elect and we already had some of those gold hedges in place for the second half of this year that we added to. The Company elected to wait the hedges into the next 12 months using gold collars. The collars are arranged as follows. For the second half of 2024, there are 188,000 ounces hedged with a floor of 2,150 and a ceiling of $2,738 per ounce; For the first half of 2025, there's a 100,000 ounces hedged with a floor of 2,189 and a ceiling of $2,905 an ounce; and for the second half of 2025, 20,000 ounces with a floor of 2,100 and a ceiling of 3,487 per ounce; and finally for the first half of 2026, also 20,000 ounces with a floor of 2100 an ounce and a ceiling of $3,487 per ounce. This was respect to those convertible notes. Extending the notes, the maturity of those two convertible notes significantly enhances our financial flexibility as we advance commissioning of our world class Greenstone Gold mine, which remains on track to pour gold this quarter. Moving to Slide 8, with respect to our available liquidity at June 30th, we had $160 million of unrestricted cash on hand and $105 million available to draw on a revolving credit facility. The first of our debt maturities comes in October with $140 million 2019 convertible note I just mentioned. It has a conversion price of $5.25 per share, should the note holders decide not to convert, the Company will repay the note using its existing cash and liquidity. Moving to Slide 9, with Greenstone construction complete and commercial production on the near horizon, the financial focus switches to de-leveraging free cash flow produced by the mines will be used to pay down debt. For the first few years at Equinox Gold, we've been acquiring and building mines and have been using debt as one of the funding methods for doing so, including an additional $500 million term loan to consolidate ownership. This slide demonstrates Equinox Gold's historical leverage as measured by net debt EBITDA ratio from Q1 2020 through Q4 2023, and pro forma leverage through 2026 as per analyst consensus. The general trend we see is that leverage in the Company increased as acquisitions were completed and mines were being built. This is a natural consequence of using data as one lever for funding acquisitions and construction. Leverage peaked in Q1 2020. A few months after construction of Arizona was completed and again in late 2022 as construction of Greenstone was ongoing and construction of the Santa Luis mine was completed. Another trend we see in this chart is that as the mines are commissioned and round up, that leverage decreases as Equinox Gold has a benefit of EBITDA and cash flow generated by the new mines, and we expect the same as Greenstone enters into commercial production hopefully later this quarter. With that, I turn the presentation over to Doug for a review of the operations.
Doug Reddy: Thanks, Pete. We're now on Slide 11 of the presentation. At the Mesquite mine gold production was 17,607 ounces with an all-in sustaining cost of $1,283 per ounce. Waste stripping continued in the Ginger pit and the majority of the ore from that pit goes to the leach pads starting in Q1 of 2025. For the rest of 2024 production is mostly draw down of the leach pad inventory, side slope leaching and leaching of additional ore coming from current mining and rehandling and re-leaching of the old Vista pad material. The recoveries from the leach pad have been slower than expected due to pad height and associated longer leach cycles. At Castle Mountain, production was up over Q1 at 6,148 ounces at an all-in sustaining cost of $1,424 per ounce. Phase one is a small operation that is mining and processing low grade historic backfill material that needs to be removed from the old open pits prior to mining in situ material in phase two. We completed a review of the mine plan and costs at Castle Mountain for phase one, and concluded that mining will be suspended in August for the duration of the phase two permitting. Residual leaching will continue through 2024, and we continue with the phase two permitting process. At Los Filos production increased during Q2 to 37,430 ounces, and this should continue to improve in H2. The all-in sustaining cost was $2,274 per ounce. During the quarter, the crusher was brought back online and all the material for crushing that it accumulated while the relocation of the conveyor was underway was then crushed and is now under leach. The productivity program that's been in place at Los Filos for the last two years continues to show improvement and we saw an increase in Los Filos underground mine production continue in Q2. Mining in the new Diegos underground area has also been picking up once the second contractor started development work in the quarter. Our dialogue with our community partners continues. We continue to work towards establishing new agreements so that we can ensure long-term economic viability and stability for the mine. We move on to the next page, excuse me. In Brazil at the Arizona mine production was 6,309 ounces with a very high all-in sustaining cost, over $3,000 per ounce. This reflects the standby cost that were being incurred while the plant was idle and the low ounces produced in the quarter, which resulted in a high cash cost and all-in sustaining cost. As previously announced and mentioned earlier in this call, we suspended mining in the Piaba open pit in April after geotechnical instability led to the displacement of material in two locations in the south wall of the Piaba pit. We accelerated the startup of Tatajuba open pit and after two months with no ore processing, we restarted the process plant at the beginning of July. We continue working on remediation planning and activities in the Piaba open pit with safety being the priority. Work at the moment on Piaba includes recontouring of the pit wall, and that will happen in two areas. We are drilling a series of dewatering holes and we've been installing additional monitoring equipment and completing external reviews of geotechnical and hydrogeological information. At the Fazenda mine regrettably, we had a fatality in the underground portion of the mine as discussed earlier in the call. Production at Fazenda was 14,178 ounces and the all-in sustaining cost was $1,876 per ounce for the quarter. Plant feed is currently 35% from moving pit, 65% from underground and recovery is at 91%. Currently mining is approximately 50/50 open pit and underground. The open pit contractors now fully mobilized at Fazenda and is catching up on the mine plan through the rest of the year. In the underground mine, we are mobilizing additional equipment to facilitate a catch up on development so that we can access additional stopes in Q3 and Q4. At RDM, Gold production was 10,675 ounces and the all-in sustaining cost was $1,774 per ounce. We changed the rental mining fleet and are catching up on the mining in H2. Construction of the dry stack tailings area is complete and is now fully in operation with cyclone tailings being dried and placed in the storage area. At Santa Luz, production was up compared to Q1 at 13,627 ounces, and in all-in sustaining cost of was $2,399 per ounce. Recovery was below plan at 60% for Q2. Dilution efficiency and electric winning modifications were completed in the quarter SAG mill liners and a new trunnion were installed. The new trunnion enables -- has enabled throughput to be increased by about 10%, and a new desliming circuit was added. The desliming circuit is intended to remove a portion of the total organic carbon and improve overall recovery by about 6%. The circuit was brought online and is in commissioning through Q3. The objective is to achieve recoveries around 73% or higher for the second half of the year. Moving on to page 13. At Greenstone first ore was introduced to the high-pressure grinding rolls and grinding circuits on April 6th. The first gold pour was on May 22nd and the mine per ore produced 16,247 ounces in Q2. Milling throughput achieved a rolling 30-day average of 59% of the name plate of 27,000 tons per day as of July 22nd. And then, as we came to the end of the month, we had our planned shutdown, major shutdown, and we were up and running back on schedule, after that shutdown was completed. Overall, the ramp up is going very well. We mined over 7 million tons in the quarter with over 1.2 million tons of that being or stockpile was 2 million tons at the end of the quarter. The fleet now has 25 haul trucks and four shovels, and we look forward to commercial production during Q3. With that, I'm going to hand it back to Greg.
Greg Smith: Thanks, Doug. Yes, it's been a mixed quarter for us. We've had to work through some challenges at a few of our minds, and particularly at Arizona, and we've had to make some revisions to our guidance as a result, but also a very positive quarter for the Company in that we were able to complete the acquisition of the rest of Greenstone, achieve first gold pour and then start the ramp up toward commercial production, and really, we're at an inflection point. Now, we expect a stronger second half from a number of our mines, but more importantly, Greenstone is ramping up to commercial production over the next few months. And we already produced more gold at Greenstone in July than we did in all of Q2. So, the big picture here is we are significantly increasing our production at lower costs during a period of historically strong gold prices and what we think is a continuing bullish macro-outlook for gold. And I think, I'll wrap it up there and turn it over to Rhylin to start the Q&A.
Rhylin Bailie: Thanks, Greg and Doug. Galene, can you please remind our participants how to ask a question?
Operator: [Operator Instructions]
Rhylin Bailie: So, I do have a few questions from online. So, one that came in first, we'll ask first. How are you going to catch up in the second half of the year to achieve your guidance?
Doug Reddy: Sure, I can take that. I mean, the main plan here, Rhylin, as you can see from the guidance, is that most of our sites will have a stronger second half of the year. In particularly, Los Filos, and of course, Greenstone as we ramp up to commercial production. Greenstone is a very large mine, and production of Greenstone definitely moves the needle for us. So, the second half of the year we'll produce a lot more gold than we did in the first half.
Rhylin Bailie: Mike Parkin sent me a question. He's our analyst from National Bank. Sent me a question by email. This is for Peter. What will Castle Mountain care maintenance cost be on an annual basis? Will there be any severance payments? And if so, how much and when will those flow through the financials?
Peter Hardie: I'll start with the later part. Yes, there will be severance payments. We haven't updated the market provided guidance on what care maintenance will look like heading into next year and beyond. We'll do so when we update guidance or perhaps earlier than that. With respect to the remainder of the year, we'll be residual leaching. So, the guidance that we provided for Castle Mountain effectively takes it through the point at which we go onto residual leach, which will be sometime during Q3. We expect to continue to pull ounces from the pad at -- for several months after, and we'll provide a more comprehensive update on those costs as we move forward. It will depend in part on when the residual leach tapers off and when it no longer is beneficial to continue to residual leach based on the ounces being pulled and the cost to do it.
Greg Smith: I'll just add to that. At Castle Mountain, our mining and our crushing is contractors. So, those contract terminations have been provided to the contractors, and we have a very small team overall who will continue to work on the residual leaching. So, it is quite a compact and small operation, or remains a small team as we move into residual leach.
Rhylin Bailie: A question from our Kerry Smith, our analyst at Haywood Securities, who is currently on an airplane. When do you expect to be able to get back into mining at Piaba? And how many tons of or ounces of production do you have at Tatajuba?
Greg Smith: For return to mining in Piaba, we're doing work in Piaba now, but it's at the upper areas of the pit. We will, during the course of this year, be going in and mining certain areas especially on the west end of Piaba from pit. Overall, plan is based on doing all the dewatering program and all the geotechnical and recontouring activities. We would like to be doing some additional mining in Piaba pit by the end of this year, but the real focus is going to be doing a large program in 2025. But again, it all is dependent on working through all of our activities that we're doing to remediate and make the pit totally safe, keep the regulators totally informed and being able to move in and be able to mine, especially on the east end of the pit.
Rhylin Bailie: Thank you. Doug. Operator, can we please take some questions from the phone?
Operator: Certainly. The first question from the phone lines is from Anita Soni with CIBC World Markets. Please go ahead.
Anita Soni: Good morning, everyone. First question I think I'm going to focus on Greenstone. When we look at the throughput rates that you delivered this quarter, can you just give us a little idea of how that ramped up over the course of the year -- sorry, over the course of the quarter and what the exit rates are right now in throughput?
Doug Reddy: So, April, May, we were 40, 50% of rated throughput, came up to just under 60% as we came into July. Then we had a major shut. So, we've taken care of a lot of the items that we've noticed during the ramp up and we'll continue. We've restarted and continue with the ramp up in August, I'm sure. I'm not sure exactly what the other details that you’re looking for.
Anita Soni: No, that was, that's good. Another question in terms of the definition of commercial production, I noticed it said within 10% of the design grades. You guys are substantially over the design grades. And I have a second question related to that in a second, but the, does that mean that you when you're looking for commercial production, you're looking for it to come down to the sort of 1.5 that you were expecting over the next, I guess, three, four years rather than the 2.5 that you delivered this quarter?
Doug Reddy: Yes, it won't continue at the 2.5. I mean, that was essentially as you'll be aware, putting a lot of ounces that go into the circuit. And that was done where we had the ability to feed some high-grade material and be able to add that into the mill. And going forward we will, it gets tempered down to more the targeted production, overall production rate. So, it won't continue at 2.5. That would be glorious, but we can't do that forever.
Anita Soni: It was a good surprise. I was, but it didn't hold my breath that it was going to be sustained.
Doug Reddy: Yes, I anticipated that somebody would do the calc and say, how come your ounce produced and you have 88% in recovery, but if you look at the number of ounces that go into circuit, then it all makes sense. And by putting in the higher grade, we took care of building up the ounces and circuit very quickly.
Anita Soni: Okay. And then as we get to the, doing some calculations on the mining and the ore stockpile rates, I think, could you just talk about the truck availability? I think you're getting around 2 million tons per truck. If I did the math rate on that per annum, if you annualize it. And are design rates on those trucks more like, like could you just tell me what the design rates on the trucks are? I thought they were somewhere around three to three and a half, but of course that depends on your haul distances. So, can you just talk about the availability on the trucks? Yes.
Doug Reddy: Haul distances are affected at this very start for a couple reasons. One that while we've been in pioneering essentially the pit. We've been moving a lot of the soil material, some of which needs to be treated. So that means we have to take it down to an area where it can be dealt with, that consumes some of the cycle time. We've also been doing a lot of work, but taking clean waste down to our tailing facility. Again, longer cycle time for those trucks. So, you can't really, you'd have to separate them out between mine and those other activities. But essentially with a fleet of 25 trucks, four shovels on site, we'll be continuing the ramp up towards a capacity of 180,000 tons a day by the end of the year.
Greg Smith: Anita, its Greg here. I might just add, I don't know if there's a recent picture on our website, but if there's not, I can send one to you. The first year of mining at Greenstone a little bit complex for a couple of reasons. And you'll remember when we were there, there's the old McLeod tailings that are there from previous mining. Part of our permit requires that we excavate those tailings and move them to our facility. And we do have some trucks dedicated to doing that. We also have this, we call it type D soil, which is contaminated soil in the main open pit, which is the delicate job to move that material. And we're in the process of doing that, and as we do that, it opens up additional areas of that open pit for us to mine. If you looked at a recent picture, what you'll see there is sort of a couple of awkward islands in the middle of our pit where we're still excavating the type D soil. And it does provide some complexity in mining efficiency in this sort of the first half of this year. We're working through that quickly, and I think over the next quarter or so, largely through the type D soil. We open up the pit, the cloud tailings are well advanced, and we start to really see those efficiencies as we go into Q4 here. So just for the first year, as Doug said, pioneering this pit with some of the historic issues does make it a little more complex. But again, we've been able to build a large stockpile, feed the mill and are on track to be able to meet our targets.
Anita Soni: Then just a last question on the mining rates. I think, you guys mentioned that some of it was dedicate -- well looking back at the last couple of quarters, but basically it was talking about how the mining rates, some of that was dedicated to providing waste rock for the tail exam. Are you through that? Is it now, are you basically just using the fleet to do ore waste in the pit or are you still looking at helping at the tailing facility?
Greg Smith: No, we're still hauling clean waste down to the TMF.
Anita Soni: How much…
Greg Smith: It's on a next stage.
Anita Soni: So how much material like in terms of millions of tons do you have to deliver to the waste rock to the tailing facilities this year?
Greg Smith: I will get back to you shortly. Don't have that number on the top of my tongue, but I'll get back to you shortly.
Anita Soni: I'm a memorized deck. That's it for my questions. I'll get back in the queue. Thanks.
Operator: The next question is from Wayne Lam with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Wayne Lam: I guess, maybe just circling back to Greenstone, really nice to see you guys hit the 2 million ton or stockpile as planned. Could you give us a grade an idea of the grade of that stockpile? And then maybe just as a follow up on the 2.5 gram of ton, typically we see much lower grade feed put through the early stages in ramping on the mill. But just wondering, if you guys are seeing any positive reconciliation versus plan and with some of the higher-grade material put through the mill to accelerate some upfront cash flow.
Greg Smith: I'll start with the high grade into the plant and then Doug can respond to some of your other questions here. As we were ramping up, basically in the first couple of benches of or the first mining we did, we did have a fair bit of high grade ore. And as we started to ramp up the mill, we started to have very good recoveries right off the bat. So, we're seeing plus 90% recoveries pretty much right away. In part that's because of the increased resonance time in the tanks when you're not up to full capacity. But when you start one of these plants up, you've got of build up that inventory in the tanks. And then you have this sort of rolling gold inventory in your tanks. Because we had access to such high grade material and we were getting the very high recoveries right out of the gate, we took that opportunity to feed in some high grade or and ramp up that inventory quickly, which got us into producing gold more quickly than we otherwise would've. It wasn't a cash flow decision. It was more of a commissioning decision. And frankly, we had some very high grades that were coming out. Doug will get into it, but we've got different bins for stockpile and we had a couple days there where we were feeding. I think five grams per ton and material like that. So, we were able to do that and as part of our commissioning and it reflects in the grade over the second quarter, as Doug said to Anita, that's not something that's going to persist, but it was helpful as we were ramping up the plant.
Greg Smith: I think the other question was just about the stockpile, where part -- we're partly feeding from stockpile, but we're also doing some direct feed to the to the crusher as well. So, it's not all first in, first out by any means. And reconciliation overall has been quite good. So average grade I'd have to look it up because we have been focused on certain bins. So again, I'll come back to that later during the call. I'm going to just take a moment and answer Anita's question about total Rockville for the TMF. It's 7.8 million tons in 2024, so I'll come back with a grade on the stock pot.
Wayne Lam: And then maybe just given the higher cost of Castle, I think it makes sense to suspend operations, but just looking across the portfolio you guys have a couple other operations kind of running up towards those cost levels at Filos and Santa Luz. And so just wondering, at Filos, if there's a more definitive cut off point on the negotiations where you kind of decide you can't subsidize it anymore? And then at Santa Luz, you guys are now several years through an eight-year mine life for an asset that's had challenges dating back a decade ago under [Humana]. So just wondering if there's a point at which you decide that that asset consumes too much capital and attention to continue to operate.
Greg Smith: With Los Filos, we knew the first half of the year would be weaker than the second half, and you can already see the -- now that we've done the relocation of the conveyor and we have all the material under leach, our ounces are significantly up in Q2. They'll continue to go up in the second half of the year. All-in sustaining cost is in that case being driven by the ounces that we're producing. So, we should see that improve in Los Filos in the second half of the year as well. The bigger question at Los Filos has been the establishment of new agreements. That's the key element for Filos being able to get a path forward and to build a CIL. So, it's a large mine with a great opportunity. We are giving it our best shot to be able to work out everything with the communities and we're in dialogue and we hope that we can determine the new path for Filos overall. With Santa Luz, yes, first of all, we're significantly better than the previous recoveries at Santa Luz. We invested in a new technology and we've been working on getting it to refine it. Obviously, scaling up from pilot plant to the industrial scale has had challenges, and we see it as a very prospective district. If I turned it over to Scott, he'd be able to talk at length about the opportunities that we have in the immediate area around Santa Luz. So, we're there because we believe in the long-term side of it, albeit we're in commissioning on the de-sliming circuit and we have a target that we want to achieve this year. And we will continue to look at this from the big picture. So, as opposed to doing a strategic view on Santa Luz at this point in time, we have these two larger projects in the plant that we wanted to get through and see them perform. And that's the trunnion and the de-sliming.
Doug Reddy: I mean, Wayne, as a general comment, we're in the business of producing gold, but obviously we want to produce gold profitably. We have no interest in being a charity here. So, of course, if a mine is proving not to be economic, but we don't see the long-term economic benefit of running a mine, then we're going to assess options for that mine. Castle's a bit of a different story because it was a very small contract, almost pilot plant type of operation while we worked toward the large expansion. And we ended up running it longer than we had anticipated just because of the permit timelines. So, in that case, to your point, it made sense for us to do that and really focus on the permitting for phase two. But, as Doug said, Los Filos is a large ore body, attractive deposit. Obviously, the long-term plan there is to build a CIL plant, and that massively increases recoveries and really changes the flavor of that mine. To do that, we've got to have new agreements with the community. So that's the focus right now. At Santa Luz, yes, no question. It's been a challenge for us. It's new technology and not around the world, but it is a novel use of that technology at Santa Luz. And the team has been -- it's a little bit like whack-a-mole. We get some great results and then something happens, and we kind of take a couple steps back. But I was just there, spent a lot of time with the team. They've done a lot of good work and we're expecting a much better second half of the year here at Santa Luz.
Wayne Lam: Okay, great. Yes, hopefully you guys can get it up to the 70% plus level in the second half. Maybe just last one for me, looking ahead on the convert coming due in October. Peter had alluded to having the cash on hand and cash from operations to cover that, but would seem to consume quite a bit of capital and reserve during the ramp up. So, I guess just in terms of alternative funding options, would you look to refi with another convert similar to the one done last September? Or is there potential to renew the ATM or just curious what the available funding options might be if you have to repay that with cash?
Greg Smith: Pete, do you want to handle that one?
Peter Hardie: Sure. First of all, Wayne, we do believe we'll be able to manage it through cash and our existing liquidity. If you recall, when we did the convert last year, we were expecting in April maturity on that note. And so, we issued that, converted that time, then we took the proceeds of that, put it on the revolver to reduce interest costs in the meantime. We have room on the revolver to draw. That was put there thanks to that note issuance from last year as well as existing cash. With respect to Greenstone, we are given the ramp up rate and trajectory recurring we're currently on with, in addition with commercial production expected this quarter. We're currently comfortable that we can repay that note, if needs be when it comes mature through existing sources. With respect to prospective sources, of course, everything you mentioned is available, but they're not in our current plan.
Wayne Lam: Thanks for taking my questions and best of luck with the ramp up and operations on the months ahead.
Rhylin Bailie: We do have some questions online that I still have already been answered in the other things that the speakers have addressed. So, the archive of the website will be up on, and probably -- sorry, archive of the webcast will be on the website in a couple of hours. So, you're welcome to go back and have another listen. We'll have a transcript of the entire thing probably on Saturday. If there was other questions, I'll get back to you later this evening. I have to get Pete on the roads, because he's got a big cycle ahead of him today. But I will get back to everybody else sometime tonight. So, Greg, do you have any closing remarks?
Greg Smith: No, just thanks again everyone for attending the call and where to find us if you've got any more questions.
Rhylin Bailie: Perfect. Peter?
Peter Hardie: I'm just going to add, please donate. It's a great cause.
Rhylin Bailie: Thanks very much. Operator, you can now conclude the call.
Operator: Thank you. This brings to a close today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.
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