Earnings call transcript: Fagerhult’s Q4 2024 shows revenue decline

Fagerhult AB reported its Q4 2024 earnings, revealing a decline in both order intake and net sales, reflecting challenging market conditions. The company’s stock fell 5.52% following the announcement, closing at 51.6 Swedish krona, down from its previous close. According to InvestingPro data, the stock is currently trading near its 52-week low, though analysis suggests the company is undervalued based on Fair Value calculations. Despite the downturn, Fagerhult remains optimistic about future restructuring benefits and market recovery. InvestingPro subscribers can access detailed valuation metrics and 6 additional ProTips about Fagerhult’s financial position.

Key Takeaways

• Q4 2024 order intake decreased by 6.2% organically.
• Net sales saw a 4.1% organic decline in Q4 2024.
• Stock dropped 5.52% post-earnings announcement.
• Continued focus on cost reduction and efficiency.
• Proposed dividend of 1.40 Swedish krona per share.

Company Performance

Fagerhult’s performance in Q4 2024 was marked by declines in both order intake and net sales, attributed to volatility in the construction and lighting sectors. The company reported an EBIT margin of 7% for the quarter. For the full year, the company experienced a 3.4% decline in order intake and a 2.6% decline in net sales, indicating persistent market challenges.

Financial Highlights

• Q4 2024 Order Intake: 2,008 million Swedish krona (down 6.2% organically)
• Q4 2024 Net Sales: 2,040 million Swedish krona (down 4.1% organically)
• Full Year 2024 Order Intake: 8,140 million Swedish krona (down 3.4% organically)
• Full Year 2024 Net Sales: 8,305 million Swedish krona (down 2.6% organically)
• Full Year Operating Profit: 741 million Swedish krona (8.9% margin)
• Earnings Per Share: 2.31 Swedish krona

Outlook & Guidance

Fagerhult projects a gradual improvement from its ongoing restructuring programs and remains focused on cost reduction in the first half of 2025. The company is optimistic about market recovery and infrastructure projects, despite potential impacts from US tariffs. InvestingPro analysis reveals the company operates with a moderate level of debt and maintains liquid assets exceeding short-term obligations, with a current ratio of 1.11. For deeper insights into Fagerhult’s financial position and growth prospects, investors can access the comprehensive Pro Research Report, available exclusively to InvestingPro subscribers.

Executive Commentary

• CEO Bogil Sonnason emphasized strategic actions: "We continue to be convinced that we’re doing the right actions towards the markets."
• CFO Michael Wood highlighted financial stability: "Cash flow and balance sheet strength remain very strong."
• He also noted future profitability: "The slower to come through cost reductions will enhance profitability during 2025."

Risks and Challenges

• Volatile market conditions in construction and lighting sectors.
• Slowdown in new build construction market.
• Potential impacts from US tariffs.
• Ongoing restructuring efforts and cost control measures.
• Variations in order intake across business areas.

Fagerhult’s earnings call underscored the challenges posed by current market conditions, yet the company remains committed to strategic initiatives aimed at improving its financial performance and competitive position.

Full transcript - Fagerhult AB (FAG) Q4 2024:

Einar, Conference Moderator: Welcome to Fagerholt Group Q4 Report 2024. For the first part of the conference call, the participants will be in listen only mode. During the questions and answer session, participants are able to ask questions by dialing 5 on the telephone keypad. Now I will hand the conference over to Magnus Hagemark, Head of M and A. Please go ahead.

Magnus Hegemark, Head of M&A, Fagerholt Group: Thank you, Einar, and hello, everyone, and welcome to the presentation of Foggere Group’s fourth quarter and full year results for 2024. My name is Magnus Hegemark, and I am the head of M and A here at Folger Group. On the call today, we have our President and CEO, Bogil Sonnason, and our CFO, Michael Wood. The presentation will start with Bogil giving us a brief update of our results for the fourth quarter. Bogil will then continue to update us on some highlights.

Today focused on the collection business area and an update on our reporting of carbon emissions. After that, Michael will follow-up with more details about the performance of the group. Finally, Bogdan will conclude with a recap and then we will open up for questions. We will first take questions from the conference call, then we will open up for questions from the webcast. You can post questions in the chat window on your screen and I will read them up for Bodil and Michael.

Before we start, let me also remind you that today’s session is recorded and will be available on our website later today. With that, I hand over to you, Bodil. Please go ahead.

Bogil Sonnason, President and CEO, Fagerholt Group: Thank you, Magnus, and welcome everyone to this q four twenty twenty four webcast. So, during q four, we continued with a very high focus on cost control and cost reduction as we are still not satisfied with the operating result. The fourth quarter was not in line with ambitions, and it’s caused mainly by the slower market conditions. So in q three, we reported on restructuring programs in three entities, and we are reinforcing cost control in the whole group to right size the business to the current slower market conditions. We see these activities continuing through the first half year of twenty twenty five, and they will gradually benefit our results.

We have decided to close the Dubai entity of the Fagerholt brand, which is part of the cost reduction in Fagerholt brand, and this will improve the operating margin in business area premium. I want to point out that this is not affecting any of the business area collection brands in the region, which are operating successfully. So as a group, we still have a strong presence in the Middle East region. On the positive side, Q4 showed a higher activity level than Q3 in both higher order intake and higher net sales. We continue to see big swings in order intake between months, business areas, and brands.

And this is something we have seen since the middle of twenty twenty four. And our presence in many geographical markets and in many segments help us to spread the risk and increase stability over time. It has helped us in 2024 although we have not been able to balance the full impact of the lower construction market activity in new build during the year. It is difficult to speak about a general pattern as we see big variances. As an example, in q three, we reported lower activity in The UK after the UK election.

And now I’m positive to say that we saw good demand in q four, which is reflected in good order intake in the business area professional with 22% growth. On the other hand, the French public market was very difficult due to the lack of budget voted to in the French parliament, which is then, of course, as you know, since happened, but that is partly reflected in order intake in business area collection. On the positive side, during 2024, we reached the best gross margin so far, which shows that our active price management in the inflationary period is paying off in a good way. And also that we’re able to create customer value in a premium segment. A big contributor to the positive gross margin is the high tempo in product innovation that is so important for us.

Only in the quarter, we launched new product families in both eGazini, design plan, and We also saw launches in the smart offering. For example, a new generation of products in Citigren, which is for all outdoor smart solution. Also, cash flow remains very strong, and we see a future is positive. So the board intends to propose a dividend of 1.40 Swedish kron per share, which is right at the top end of our dividend policy. So let’s have a look at the numbers for the quarter.

Order intake in q four was 2,008,000,000.000 Swedish krons, which represent an organic decline of 6.2%. And net sales at 2,040,000,000.000 Swedish krones, which showed an organic decline of 4.1%. At the EBIT level, we delivered 43,000,000 with a 7% EBIT margin, and EPS was 0.32 Swedish krowns per share. If we then look at 2024 in figures, and there the year to date order intake is at 8 point hundred and 14,000,000,000 Swedish krans, which represents an organic decline of 3.4% compared to 2023. And net sales declined organically with 2.6% to 8.3 hundred and 5,000,000,000 Swedish krans compared to 2023.

An operating profit before EICs was 741,000,000 Swedish krons compared to 901,000,000 Swedish krons in 2023, and this represents an operating margin of 8.9%. And EPS before EICs is 2.31 Swedish kron per share. And as always, Michael will give you more information when we come to the financial section. But first, I will give you a better understanding of our business areas. And, you know, I use this possibility in our quarterly reporting to give you a flavor of our strategic group focus areas, and today is no different.

I often get asked questions about our four different business areas to give a little bit more of flavor to it and understanding of our position in the market and why we stand out from the lighting providers. For 2025, I thought I’ll give you an overview of one business area per quarter, and I will start with collection. I will also give you a shorter of our greenhouse gas emission numbers as we have updated our calculation model for these emissions, and that means restating our baseline as well as give you a snapshot how the numbers are developing in relation to our twenty thirty SDTI targets. But let’s start with a focus on collection. And collection focus is on high end lighting solutions for architectural applications worldwide.

It comprises four brands, Egusini, VF (NYSE:VFC), Aterilikten, and Led Linear. It is the largest contributor to the group’s revenue, accounting for approximately 45 of total revenues. And due to the size of the projects in this business area, it performance can vary highly between quarters. The collection brands work in a close symbiosis with international lighting designers and architect. And as a result, their lighting can today be seen at many of our most cultural and iconic recognized places around the world and are the only brands where we are active in The US and with a global footprint.

And in The US, New York is actually the city in the world with the most lighting designers that do both specifications for the North American markets and many projects worldwide. Therefore, a presence in New York is very important if you’re a global brand. The collection brands engage in both outdoor and indoor high end lighting solutions with a mix of 34% in outdoor and 66% in indoor. And all and all of the brands do outdoor, and three of them do indoor. So let me give a brief overview of each brands and some of their products.

So we start with Atelier Licton, which is actually the oldest brand in the group. They celebrated 90 last year, founded in 1934 in Sweden. And Likten was the first brand to be acquired by Fagerwold already in 1974. So they produce this high quality luminaires for both outdoor and indoor use with a strong emphasis on timeless Nordic design. They’re known for their ability to create bespoke luminaires for prestigious projects.

They have an indoor department called the studio doing this. And you can see many of the solutions around the Nordic countries as such as in street lightings in and in which you can see on the picture, or office lightings from many of our Scandinavian headquarters. We can mention SAB, Ian, or Bunyas, all equipped with lighting. And they have a more narrow geographic footprint than others, mainly active in The Nordics and The UK with an ambition to expand into Europe. Then we have Iguazini, founded in 1959.

Iguazini has grown into a world renowned brand for architectural lighting applications with a very high level of product innovation. They possess a strong competence in many areas and with a focal specialism of optics development. We mentioned one innovation this quarter, which is the so called filler rail, which is an invisible track light for spotlights. For the curious one, take a look at IGazini’s Instagram, and you will find some films about the new solutions. They focus on high end architectural design lighting, primarily within hospitality, cultural, educational, and office segments.

And their largest markets are Italy, their home market, US, and Germany. And you can find their lighting at well known places such as King Cross Station in London, Lecha And Palmer Cathedral in Italy, Dehua Metro in Qatar, and Church on Iceland. And I think if you ask any lighting designer around the world, they will be familiar with the Yucini. Then we have the youngest company in the group who actually founded around lead solution. Founded in 02/2006 in Germany is LED Linear.

And they offers highly innovative, minimalistic, miniaturized, and customizable linear lighting solutions. So they have, since the beginning, leveraged the latest LED technology to provide versatile products for projects ranges from high rise facades to retail store, so both indoor and outdoor. And you can see on the picture here, you see the Puma (OTC:PMMAF) flagship store in New York. You have the Louis Vuitton Mall of Emirates or in Sweden, Stenpier And Reise Center and Platinen Building Complex in Gothenburg. And their largest markets are US, Germany, and The UAE.

And then we have the last company of the four, which is VF, which was founded 1950 in Germany. And VF, as I said before, only does high end outdoor lighting. And they’re world leading in lens technologies and optical systems and providing highly reliable luminaires mainly for urban landscapes, streets, and pathway. And for example, Veer provides luminaires with marine grade to withstand the toughest weather conditions such as harbors and areas close to the sea. And we have largest markets of France, US, and Australia, and has a well recognized name within the high end performance outdoor segments.

So you can see here you have an example of a bridge, and they light up many famous bridges, city centers, monuments, and airports around the world. An example are Sydney Harbour foreshot with Darling Harbour and The Rocks or the Familia Sagrada in Barcelona or London City Island. So to summarize, the collection business area is unique with their focus on high end premium lighting for the design and architecturally heavy projects internationally. It makes them less price sensitive and one of the main opportunities for the future within this field is to combine high end luminaires with smart lighting to enhance lighting experiences and save additional energy. So that closes the part on the collection, and I will move in to give you a quick update, as I said, on our emissions calculations as we have decided to change our calculation method.

Since the baseline year, which for us is 2021, we are now reporting higher emissions for historical years, which comes from this change in calculation method. We have implemented related to use phase emissions. So in scope three, we have previously used future projections of all electricity emissions factors over the lifetime of our Luminess, taking into considerations changes in the grid, for example. Now we use the emission factor instead for the year a luminaire is sold and for all electricity it will consume over its lifetime. So for example, if you look at the example on the slide, we applied an emission factor of 96 for all luminos sent to The UK in 2021 instead of 77, which was equivalent to a projected twenty years average emission factor.

This increases the emission scope of use phase emissions and we will apply the changes to all years. And this new approach in lines with the so called environmental product declarations or well known as EPDs and what’s done in the interest industry and will not impact how we align with our SPTI targets. And if we just a snapshot on the numbers, what we see from 2021 and until 2024, We are progressing well with our emission reduction targets validated by science based targets. And as you remember, we’re aiming to reduce scope one and two emissions by 70% and scope three by 30% by 02/1930. And since 2021, we have reduced our total carbon footprint by 34%.

So more than 90% of our emissions come from the use of our products where we can influence emissions through energy efficiency and smart lighting, so right in the heart of what we’re doing. And that is one of the reasons why smart lighting is such an important part of our strategic agenda. And then, of course, part of the decrease is also driven by decarbonization of the electricity grids in different countries around the world. And with that, I will hand over to Michael for a deeper financial update.

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: Thank you, Bodo, and good morning to each and every one of you from me. In terms of order intake and net sales, the fourth quarter was in line with expectations. Market conditions did remain volatile, as Bodo has already commented, with some external headwinds, and like many other businesses, we await the uplift from the returning markets. Some business areas and some brands continue to perform better than others. The enhanced cost focus I spoke of last quarter, including the restructuring in three entities, remains, but as Baudel already mentions, we need to work harder at increased levels of cost reduction on a wider scale across the group.

We are not pleased with the results. Some of the previously announced cost reduction programs have not yet materialized and this combined with the £21,000,000 sec inventory write down in the quarter explains the less than expectations on profitability. However, I remain confident that the previously announced cost reductions plus the newer, wider scale cost reductions will benefit the group’s operating margin during 2025. Gross margins continue to improve and the quarter is in line with the full year, but for the above mentioned inventory write down. We do see further benefit here from improved portfolio and pricing management and material cost reductions.

Operating cash flow is very significant, is very strong and a strong point for the group. It remains very healthy, but more of that a little bit later. Looking at the year to date position, net sales are organically 2.6% adverse to last year with mixed performance across the various business areas. The slower to come through cost reductions will enhance profitability during 2025. And as mentioned already, the scale of the cost reduction focus will increase during the current half year.

The earnings per share has reduced from last year, and we are not at all pleased about that. We will seek to improve this during the current year. And as a sign of confidence in the actions and our well positioning in the market, the board will propose the maximum dividend to the annual general meeting in April. Operating cash flow for the year is at a second all time high at SEK964 million and supports the dividend proposal from a liquidity perspective. Due to the ongoing softer market conditions, the rolling twelve month net sales took a shallow dip in the period to 8.3%.

You can see it here on the chart on the right hand side. There are opportunities almost everywhere on the market and the megatrends do remain favorable. Decision making on projects, however, remains long with delays being often. When the newbuild market activity begins to return, we will see a further improved position in the rolling twelve months. With the exception of the supply chain crisis catch up in the year 2022 on the chart, the fourth quarter operating margin has seasonally been weaker, and we see this clearly in the chart.

For the short term, our focus will be on driving the cost reduction programs to return to double digit levels and be in a healthy position for when the markets return. As mentioned, we expand and accelerate the cost reduction measures. Taking you through the separate business areas, Bogle has already described what, who, where and how our collection businesses work and focus, so I will concentrate a little wider on the numbers. The year in collection resulted in net sales of SEK 3,840,000,000.00 net sales compared to SEK 3.86 the previous year, so very, very close, and an almost flat level of profitability at SEK 363 million compared to SEK368 million the previous year. This is a robust and resilient performance given the challenging market conditions.

Collection has maintained its operating margin, and this has been driven from gross profit margin development on the ever so slightly lower net sales. Looking to the current half year, we see an increased focus on cost reduction as the markets remain soft. Coming to Premium, Business Area Premium continues to deliver very solid levels of profitability, contributing more than half of the group’s operating profit. The operating margin before IAC of 14.1% for the year compares to 15.8% for the prior year, with the reduction due to lower activity on the market. Full year order intake levels at minus 0.7% in premium are almost flat compared to 2023, and this is quite a good performance considering the 10 successive quarters of newbuild contraction.

The Fargo brand continues to increase project success in two areas: one, promoting organic response smart lighting technology on the market as well as delivering project luminaire solutions made from alternative materials. During the quarter, as Baudel has mentioned, as part of its cost reduction focus, Fogelph announced the closure of its UAE based operation in Dubai, and this will be executed by the end of the half year. The restructuring program at LTS is taking longer to execute, and so the savings here have not yet materialized from this program. Coming to Professional, Business Area Professional closed out the year with a very strong order intake of plus 22% in the final quarter, so strong in fact that it resulted in the Business Area delivering full year organic order intake growth of plus 1.1%. The three year trend on operating margin continues to be on a positive trend one with improving performances in Eagle Lighting and Wirecroft Lighting, but with a continuing difficult situation in Turkey where the restructuring takes time to come through.

When the Turkey restructuring has been completed, there should be an enhanced new level operating margin, so this is the focus, of course, in Business Area Professional. Lastly, coming to infrastructure, high volatility exists in all markets, Bodo has already stated that quite clearly. And this is seen very clearly in BA Infrastructure, where during Q2 and Q3, there was a positive order intake growth. But in the final quarter, the reduction was almost minus 26%. Despite the challenges this year in infrastructure, the operating margin at 9.3% is ahead of the group’s average.

And following the closeout of the vehicle restructuring and the degree of consistent sales growth, the return to double digit operating margins should be in the foreseeable future. The business area has a 13% improved order backlog at the start of the year. I said I’d come back to cash flow on one of the earlier slides. And on the cash flow side, we do continue in a very positive way now with 11 quarters of generating a positive cash flow from the group operations. The $964,000,000 is the second best on record for 2024.

We carry a lower net debt into 2025, have a stronger balance sheet as a result and look forward to making good use of the cash reserves. As you can see, the net debt reduced in the quarter as the operating cash flow of $356,000,000 in the quarter once again was healthy. We reported net debt of 2,261,000,000 adjusted to $1,510,000,000 for IFRS 16 effects, and the net debt to EBITDA ratio remains at two. Net debt is the lowest the group has carried for at least six to seven years. Earnings per share.

We repeat the message about not being pleased with the earnings per share level at 2.31% and will focus significantly to develop this during 2025. The accelerated and wider cost savings, including the restructuring programs, combined with the lower interest expenses, will improve EPS going forward. Before handing back to Bodo for closing and Q and A, just a very short summary from myself. The softer market conditions continue to affect the activity level in the industry and on the Fagral Group. During the fourth quarter, we were not happy regarding the cost situation and will focus more on this during Q1 and Q2.

Cash flow and balance sheet strength remain very strong, and strategically, the group is well positioned for when the markets return. Thank you, and I hand back to Bode.

Bogil Sonnason, President and CEO, Fagerholt Group: Okay. So with a short conclusion and recap before we go into questions. So overall, we saw the same market conditions in Q4 as we’ve seen for the full year, 2024. And in the markets where we were present, although as we have been mentioned that we had a higher activity level compared to q three. And with the slower market situation, we are having a much higher cost focus in all of the group’s companies.

And as Michael said, this will continue during the first half year. We have started to see some savings from the restructuring last year coming through in q one, and some are slower to materialize. As we’re still not satisfied with the result, we will continue until we have reached our ambition levels and our targets. I thought I’d mention also a little bit about, tariffs, as I spoke about The US or North America for for business area collection. And we are, of course, with election of Trump assessing the potential impacts from the tariffs.

And there are different scenarios and, you know, that this is changing daily. So we are monitoring, and and you still have a lot of uncertainties what will happen in the end. But as a short reminder, we ship to The US from Europe and Canada as well as having some assembly in The US markets. And this is very representative of how the whole lighting industry operates. And also, if you look into the American local market and companies, very often, they import from China or produce in Mexico.

Then I also like to say that I continue to be very optimistic about the many good activities that is happening in the group. The new I mentioned before, new product innovation, extremely important. We see a lot of good progress in smart lighting and and therefore also in sustainability as well as we see many satisfied customers with our solutions, and we continue to win big projects. So we continue to be convinced that we’re doing the right actions towards the markets, and our ambitions goes and as well as we are positioned well positioned when the construction market again turns positive. So I want to leave you with that positive message as well.

And with that, I hand over to Magnus for questions.

Magnus Hegemark, Head of M&A, Fagerholt Group: Thank you, Borje. And with that, we kindly ask the operator to open for questions from those on the telephone line.

Einar, Conference Moderator: Thanks a lot. We have the first question from Nikola (NASDAQ:NKLA) Kranoski from ABG Sandal Collier. Please go ahead. Your line is

Nikola Kranoski, Analyst, ABG Sandal Collier: open. Wonderful. Thank you very much and thanks for the presentation, Bodle and Michael. I just have two questions. The first one is just a confirmatory question.

Did you adjust for the inventory write downs of about $20,000,000 in the operating profit before IAC? No. Perhaps, that’s against positive IAC?

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: No. Our no, we didn’t. Our definition of IAC items does not include inventory write downs. Got to be quite strict in accounting regulations for that.

Nikola Kranoski, Analyst, ABG Sandal Collier: I understand. And my second and just final question is if you could help us unpack the price and volume mix in the quarter.

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: Price and volume mix. I’m going to take you back maybe two years, Nicola, when supply chain crisis was impacting the group’s gross margin. And we put a lot of work and effort into pricing at the brand level. That was very successfully executed during 2023 and 2024. Things do take time to come through, and that’s why it was maybe six, nine months before we saw the positive impact of that.

And then when you come all the way through to the end of twenty twenty four, we are still expecting pricing favorable mix coming through on the top line and that will continue we think into 2025. And as I said, part of my delivery, the order intake and net sales in the quarter was in line with so volumes, therefore, was in line with expectations.

Nikola Kranoski, Analyst, ABG Sandal Collier: I appreciate that. Very clear. Thank you very much. That’s all for me.

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: Thanks, Nicolas.

Einar, Conference Moderator: The next question is from Mats Lies from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Mats Lies, Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux: Yes. Hi. Thank you. Well, a couple of questions. First, I mean, you mentioned the savings measures that you’re about to adjust for market conditions.

Could you say something about the potential improvement to be expected during the second half? And maybe also if there are some extra costs to be expected during the first half?

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: I think I’ll start, I think, Matt, and I think Bert will finish off. As we said a couple of times on the call, we weren’t happy with the Q4 result. The initiated cost savings during late Q3 into Q4 have been too slow to materialize. I think we make reference to that in the report. And that will accelerate on those areas during Q1.

But also given the continued soft unpredictable market conditions, we will increase our activities across other Luminaire brands in the group for enhanced cost reduction measures. We did put in the Q3 the anticipated payback, if you like, from the IACs that we took in Q3. And we don’t see any reason to change that, but for three months longer given they have been taking time to come through. And then when we look at other areas across the group, we are leaving no stone unturned.

Bogil Sonnason, President and CEO, Fagerholt Group: And I think that is what we’re doing. So if you look into before where we had activities or restructuring activities in three companies, we now heard us speaking about closing down in Faghold in Dubai, where we took some costs already in in in Q4. We don’t expect any more costs there, but we will have activities, and we do cost activities in all of our brands. So, therefore, you will see more things coming through the first half year. Will that create more special restructuring costs?

We don’t have a full view of that yet because it’s different types of activities in all the different businesses. There is not one general activity that we’re doing in terms of taking costs down.

Mats Lies, Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux: Great. Thank you. And yes, very good. And then me looking at the orders were pretty all right, I guess. And should we expect this to be a good proxy for sales during the first quarter now?

Or is it more could you say something about the lead times there?

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: Lead times have come back in quite a lot since supply chain crisis days and typically for our regular indoor lighting businesses, you are typically four to six, seven weeks lead times. So the order intakes in a particular month will have the capability to affect the net sales output in the following months. When you’re looking at some of the more engineered solutions, shall we say, particularly in outdoor, you’ve probably got an eight to ten week delivery lead time from our operations. And we expect to be in a similar position, we think, as we go through the earlier part of 2025. Some brands will remain better than others.

Some businesses will remain better than others. But we still do expect, Max, quite a high degree of volatility and uncertainty. We’re not seeing anything around us yet, that that gives us any message that that some consistency to our activity levels will will come through. Now we’re you are we are aware at the very, very front end of the train in new build construction, there’s some signs of some improvement coming through. But in the areas that we address in new build construction, again, in the CEO’s comments on the report, we are we are towards the end of that cycle.

It’s good that it’s beginning to happen at the front of the train, because it then means only a period of time before it will affect us, which are sat with project specification lighting in the rear of the train.

Bogil Sonnason, President and CEO, Fagerholt Group: And I also I think what Michael is saying as well, Mats, is that I mean, there is nothing specific that we had a few years ago. So, therefore, I think that the normal time that you see is a good indication. So, of course, what you see in q four will have an impact at the beginning of the year, in terms of the order intake. I also wanted to say, because I’ve been getting I’ve been getting the question a few times, and it’s related to that as well because we’ve seen some companies saying that the infrastructure market is is getting better. And we see that too.

So we see quite a few infrastructure projects, but we don’t necessarily see all the all of those infrastructure projects in business area infrastructure. But we see them in in in in other also in business area agreement, for example. So we see a good activity level in specific areas in line what I think what the market is seeing as well.

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: And there is more talk today than there has been for the last six to nine months, Matt, about just picking up on the infrastructure comment there, about larger infrastructure projects. I think some of the delays, fingers crossed, on these larger ones might be coming to a bit of an end in some brands, in some areas, in some countries. I did say on the last call, q three, that at some point, the delays have got to come to an end. And whilst we’re not there yet, we are hearing around us more talk around some of the larger projects. So we remain hopeful for the first parts of 2025.

Mats Lies, Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux: Great. And then component supplies, is there anything to say about that? I mean, lots of things are happening globally. Tariffs.

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: Yes. No. We’ve not noticed anything that’s reportable, shall we say, on component supplies. We carry on. We are aware of the word tariff, and then we are watching closely, but nobody knows yet what the suggestions might be for tariffs from The EU into The USA, but that’s a part of our business.

But when it comes to some critical components, LED LED electronics, we’re not noticing anything that is worth reporting.

Mats Lies, Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux: Great. And finally, there’s just about tax line there. It was a bit higher than I expected. Could you give some comments there?

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: Yes. Two things, most definitely. Probably the most significant in the quarter was we made a provision of SEK 11,500,000.0 for a potential transfer pricing topic dating back some seven or eight years. One of our businesses is being had a tax inspection, and they come around every now and then. They always like to find something, so we made a prudent provision for that in our Italian business, I think it says in the report.

And the second thing, during 2024, we made higher taxable profits in some areas with a higher tax rate sovereignty. So that was whilst you can only tax profitable numbers, when the mix shifts to be more profits in higher tax regimes than lower tax regimes, then it does have an impact on the overall group ETR.

Mats Lies, Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux: And what should we expect for 25%, by and large?

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: I think returning more normal to around at around the 30% level in the current year. It’s probably going to be more balanced. The provision has been made. We’ll report upon that maybe going forward if anything changes regarding it. But I don’t anticipate anything lower than 30 going forward in the short term, one to two years.

Mats Lies, Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux: Okay, great. Thank you.

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: Thanks, Matt.

Nikola Kranoski, Analyst, ABG Sandal Collier: There are

Einar, Conference Moderator: no more questions from the telephone conference at this time, so I hand the word back to you, Magnus.

Magnus Hegemark, Head of M&A, Fagerholt Group: Thank you very much. There are a little bit more time left, so we can take questions from participants in the call, but we don’t have any in queue here. So, I will hand back to Gordon for any last comments.

Bogil Sonnason, President and CEO, Fagerholt Group: Okay. So, I think as my last comments, coming back to the slow market conditions in the construction industry continue to affecting all of the lighting industry. So our response in the short term is therefore higher and wider focus on cost control. That doesn’t change though that we continue to see many growth opportunities on the market, and we maintain our high level of investments in product innovation. And we also see our smart, sustainable solutions continue to increase in sales.

And that is very encouraging for us. And finally, we also continue our work in researching for interesting m and a opportunities. I think that’s all for today.

Magnus Hegemark, Head of M&A, Fagerholt Group: Thank you, Muriel and Michael, and thank you, everyone, for joining today for this conference call. Next (LON:NXT), we will publish our q one results on 04/28/2025, and we will host the webcast the same day.

Bogil Sonnason, President and CEO, Fagerholt Group: Have a nice day. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.

Michael Wood, CFO, Fagerholt Group: Thank you.

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